It isn't that simple. There are most definitely considerable differences in training for strength and training for aesthetic. The two are also very different goals. Look at your strength athletes and look at bodybuilders natural and enhanced, alike. They are most often pretty different in a variety of ways. As you climb the ranks into elite levels the differences become increasingly apparent.Originally Posted by compudog
The reasoning behind your statement is that a stronger muscle will be able handle larger loads while training to stimulate hypertrophy and as a result will increase potential for growth. In that you are correct but to put the two on a parallel and say they are one in the same doesn't make any sense. Strength is extremely useful as a bodybuilder, but it is not the main concern just a means to a goal, as stated by the OP.
As in anything there will be exception and there are genetic freaks that cross over between the boundaries. They posses incredible strength along with aesthetically pleasing physique but in the majority this doesn't happen. Show me a bodybuilder who can squat 1000+, you'll be hard pressed to do so. On the other hand show me a powerlifter with lower lat striations and quad separation, it won't happen.
Originally Posted by RodjaI knew someone was going to post up some one that was a successful powerlifter and bodybuilder. In most cases this does not happen and the training does differ significantly. To say they are one in the same isn't the best way to put it.Originally Posted by NYiron
I agree with you as well. I may have been going to the extremes on either end but it was in attempts to define the differences. My thought process was as such due to the post that attempted to blend the two seamlessly as one in the same. But at any rate, both athletes can benefit from a little crossover into the varying training approaches. I myself identify as a bodybuilder but still love me a good ol' ME and DE day.Originally Posted by Rodja
so i looked at some of those programs that stress making each day about a compound movement. and i basically tried to mold the previous workout i was on around it.
attempting in someway to get the best of both worlds. essentially the same exercises just moved it to a 4-day split as opposed to 3-day
the legs and back/biceps days would remain the same
but the difference is obviously in splitting up the 2 push days.
i was thinking something along these lines.
rear delt raise
overhead tricep extension
i'm not sure if anyone thinks this is better, or if it is worse. just assuming this may allow for a better shoulder workout. the only thing that i'm on the fence about is the amount of tricep work.
CGBP, dips, overhead extension, skull crushers in one week seems like a lot. now they are separated by a couple days each, but just wondering if thats too much tricep volume for 1 week
tried the 4 day split, thought it would be a good idea to do military press for 4 sets and then 2 sets of dumbbell presses at a lighter weight. 40lbs.
well that was a mistake because my left shoulder just couldn't make it through the lateral raises exercises, so obviously i need to take away the 2 dumbbell sets and just stick with the 4 sets of military.
especially since my tricep part of the workout suffered a little with the extra presses.
trial and error i guess.
also my lats are slightly sore. not sure if thats normal with military presses
supersets and dropsets. Be creative