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Is the trap bar as effective for dead lifts as the barbell?
What ever your comfortable with honestly.Is the trap bar as effective for dead lifts as the barbell?
Maybe one of the more experienced guys on here can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that using the trap bar makes it more of a knee centric exercise. Almost like a squat, except holding the weight at the sides. Whereas a normal barbell deadlift is a hip centric exercise. Incorporate both!
Agreed with both posts.depends. do you want to compete in something that has the deadlift as an event? if not, they are different lifts that will give slightly different results but for the layman it doesnt matter.
Not saying you are wrong, but when I do them with a neutral grip, I still feel it in my hams, glutes, erectors, and back. It also feels more comfortable for my shoulders that way. Unless I use do deficits, I don't feel them in my quads.No. Trap is more for the quads and BB is for the hips, which is the purpose of a deadlift.
That could be due to your anatomy which i hear many agree with you.Not saying you are wrong, but when I do them with a neutral grip, I still feel it in my hams, glutes, erectors, and back. It also feels more comfortable for my shoulders that way. Unless I use do deficits, I don't feel them in my quads.
The grip shouldn't make much of a difference as it is the stance that really changes the lift and the weight is closer to the person compared to a BB.Not saying you are wrong, but when I do them with a neutral grip, I still feel it in my hams, glutes, erectors, and back. It also feels more comfortable for my shoulders that way. Unless I use do deficits, I don't feel them in my quads.
I'm waving the BS flag on this. Isolating chronic issues to a single lift is far-fetched, at best. This sound like more of a postural issue to me.The other aspect, at least for me is, that a very head deadlift kinda "pinches" your shoulders when you do them with a barbell (I am not sure why, but thats what my sports medicine doctor told me when I went to him for shoulder/neck/upper back problems)...that is how I got into neutral deadlifts.
This. Kind of like those guys who bench heavy as hell and develop shoulder issues due to them never hitting rear delts .I'm waving the BS flag on this. Isolating chronic issues to a single lift is far-fetched, at best. This sound like more of a postural issue to me.
Show me where I said that chronic shoulder issues are cause by deadlifts?I'm waving the BS flag on this. Isolating chronic issues to a single lift is far-fetched, at best. This sound like more of a postural issue to me.
Calm down and open up your ears.Show me where I said that chronic shoulder issues are cause by deadlifts?
I wasn't doing them at the time, I had stopped all weightlifting. Actually hadn't lifted in years and when I went to the doctor and I told him I wanted to get back into lifting, he had me list out the exercises that I wanted to do and that is what he said. He also told me to avoid lateral raises (never really did them anyway) and upright rows.
I never said that it was solely based on me doing deadlifts, either, that was your interpretation. My shoulder/back problems where definitely done because a variety of things, including genetic predisposition, untreated sport injuries that happened many years prior, a mild muscle imbalance between upper back and chest, and 15 years of sitting at a desk 16 hours a day at work.
I have had much better shoulder/back health since seeing the doctor, and I do believe him when he says that barbell deadlifts cause more shoulder stress than trap bar deadlifts. If you want to call that BS, feel free.
Sigh. I am calm. If you reread what you said "Isolating chronic issues to a single lift" means that you thought I was saying that bb deadlifts caused this. What I said, and I stand by that trap bar relieves some pressure from the shoulders. If you have problems like I have/had this could be beneficial. I have good form when I deadlift. I learned the hardway. I feel it in my glutes, hams, and erectors. If you don't believe me, fine.Calm down and open up your ears.
First, let's start here. As demonstrated by the analysis, the hex bar shifts emphasis from the hips/erectors to the knees (e.g. quads), thus showing the efficacy on the standard BB as a whole-body lift. Somewhat analogous to this would be the difference between the front squat and the back squat and the difference in the distribution of loads. Although there are several key errors in the study (e.g. power output), the values show the loads upon the joints.
Second, I waved the BS flag on your doctor's assertion about the BB deadlift and the "pinching" that you are referring to is a postural issue caused by tightness in the mid/upper traps and general weakness in the area. Watching 99% of people attempt to deadlift is always hilarious because technique is so freaking bad, especially with a standard BB. I have very little faith in sports medicine docs because they seldom actually spend enough time under the bar to know what to do and what not to do and why that is.
I think what he means is you shouldnt be able to isolate "one" particular group over the others, you should feel it in all of those muscles equally yet relatively.So, if I do a set of 20 reps of bench, I shouldnt feel it in my chest, anterior delts, and triceps? I honestly don't understand what you mean by that.
Bingo.I think what he means is you shouldnt be able to isolate "one" particular group over the others, you should feel it in all of those muscles equally yet relatively.
Which is where you should feel it. Variations in lifts can change your center of gravity thus emphasizing on certain muscle groups, however you're still imposing significant tension on all of your body with compound lift so it's hard to "isolate" certain muscles.Now I am more confused, because I said I feel it it in my back, glutes, hams...
Yep one is not Better than the other. If you have sore lower back from heavy squats on back day i would throw in trap bar lifts instead of bb or even try some heavy rack pullsMaybe one of the more experienced guys on here can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that using the trap bar makes it more of a knee centric exercise. Almost like a squat, except holding the weight at the sides. Whereas a normal barbell deadlift is a hip centric exercise. Incorporate both!
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