What do you guys think is a sufficient amount of exercises/sets for size/strength for the following: (without overtraining)
dont train body parts, train movements!Originally Posted by Shoota
simple answer. legs back chest and shoulders 4-5 excercises no more. Bis and tris 3 exc. each no more
thats for Each muscle not totals
Kinda depends on what you're going for. For general purposes, wrath made a solid recommendation.
I read these posts as "how do I design a program" which lacks answers on the forums in general. How do you decide on weight progression, sets, reps, sequence, which movements helps which lifts, how to improve on existing program etc.
There is no fits all answer, but there are some good tips that can be shared on programming.
Chest - Horizontal shoulder flexion, Shoulder flexion, Elbow extension
Back - Horizontal shoulder extension, Shoulder extension, elbow flexion
Legs - Hip extension, Hip Flexion, Hip (ab)adduction, Internal/external rotation, knee ext/flx
so on and so forth
What I said is a simple but an effective general range. If u dispute that please inform m what's a better total excersise per muscle. I list 3 excersises tops for each biceps and triceps. If ur doing 5 biceps for example ur probably coasting through with low intensity and or ur not effectively hiting the muscle effectively. More isn't better u can reach muscle hypertrophy in the bi's with 3 effective excercises. 5 or more is an effective general range for a lifter asking for basic workout knowledge. Now if ur stating 3 is too much on the other hand fir biceps let us know of a good general total excersise range as that's all I did..
A lot of strength coaches discuss training movements vs. muscles.
I think its a way to get the mind set off the typical chest/shoulders/etc. bodybuilding rhetoric and more into thinking about a balanced program. Think about the disproportionate amount of upperbody AKC work with your typical bodybuilding routine.......
Isolation vs compound wouldn't be movements they would be exercises. A squat isn't a movement it's an exercise, a bicep curl isn't a movement it's an exercise. Hip and knee extension are movements, elbow flexion is a movement.Originally Posted by Jiigzz
Not debating anything just making a statement. It may be a result of semantics but when the understanding of why it is related semantics, as you and I posses, is not there it becomes a different issue. Muscles create movement, so why is thinking that I'm training chest today to complete horizontal shoulder extension wrong and being demonized by the statement "train movements not muscles"? Really your training movements no matter what unbalanced programs, balanced program, strength training, metabolic effect training it's all movement just applied differently. I understand your point on how bodybuilding programs are unbalanced most often, but thats not as a result of training "muscles over movements" its as a result of lack of knowledge. The same unbalanced nature can occur in a program of someone who thinks they're training movements because they are doing squats and deads and not training quads or hams. To associate programs with muscles in mind as inferior is what doesn't make sense especially when, as i stated, they are balanced and grounded in kinesiology. Also, from what I've seen when movements are referred to on here it's associated with compound exercises over isolation exercises which also makes no sense. Squats, deads, etc. are not movements they're exercises, the movement is the hip extension, knee extension not the squat or dead.Originally Posted by ZiR RED
Ahhh I see now I missed it on my first interpretation.Originally Posted by ZiR RED
Edit: You've got a good teaching style