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Anyone know a workout or HOW to workout only for strength gains, but not really size? New to all this... Thanks !
If you are new look for Rippetoe's Starting Strength guideline and workouts.Anyone know a workout or HOW to workout only for strength gains, but not really size? New to all this... Thanks !
Great advice right here.If you are new look for Rippetoe's Starting Strength guideline and workouts.
Once you move up the ladder and get some experience and real PROPER FORM with all Barbell Compound movements, move up to 5x5.
When you have milked everything out of the 2nd step, go on to Jim Wendler's 5/3/1. These are all geared towards STRENGTH training and gains.
If you want the best of both worlds (not Hanna Montannah) go for Layne Norton Phat after your learn the basics of Starting Strength, or West Side for Skinny Bastards.
So to sum it all up: Read up all the past mentioned routines and programs (which some come in books actually) and do your proper personal research to find what works for you .
Anytime bro, strength training is my passion too. Admittedly I am not the strongest around, and it does take YEARS, but one day I'll be lifting big, all this programs help you learn the basics and the gist of it. It's all about progression and pushing yourself harder and harder, then taking it a bit easy and do it all over again haha.Woah thanks ! Yeah i think i'll start with rippetoes, and work my way through everything.
Yeah it does take years, but the dedication pays off ! When a beefy man gets off a machine and can get on and do the same thing? Best feeling.Anytime bro, strength training is my passion too. Admittedly I am not the strongest around, and it does take YEARS, but one day I'll be lifting big, all this programs help you learn the basics and the gist of it. It's all about progression and pushing yourself harder and harder, then taking it a bit easy and do it all over again haha.
All about progression and persistence. Well said, and if a week isn't spectacular either deload or push even harder next week. It's all a constant battle and struggle with the iron.Celorza gave really solid advice.
Main thing to remember is always try and increase the weight on major lifts around 2.5-5lbs each week. Not a huge science guy, so that's the way I put it.
Don't discouraged if some weeks you don't get it either. Make sure you're getting your rest and fueling your work outs properly.
Have you ever run Westside? You max out every week for a double or single. The only problem with people running Westside too early is that most do not have the technique development, GPP, and/or discipline to stick with it.Diet is still very important even if you don't want to add very much size. You will want to eat slightly over maintenance to prevent overtraining while doing all those heavy compound movements. Sleep is also key to adding strength and preventing overtraining.
For myself, I found the less is more approach works very well for adding strength. The route Celorza suggested is pretty much the exact way I went. I am just starting Wendlers now and I think I'll like it a lot. I am very glad I did SS and some 5x5 first though, you add strength much quicker on those routine while a novice/intermediate lifter. I see to many people jumping right to a 531 or Westside way to early and I feel they are leaving the strength games on the table. I am all for the "it takes a long time" and "in it for the long haul" mentality, but why hold yourself back with a more advanced program if you can easily progress with the newbie ones.
SS=adding weight every workout
5x5=adding weight every week
531=adding weight once a month
Have you ever run Westside? You max out every week for a double or single. The only problem with people running Westside too early is that most do not have the technique development, GPP, and/or discipline to stick with it.
with strength gains, will come corresponding size gains, generally speaking.Anyone know a workout or HOW to workout only for strength gains, but not really size?
IMO, 5/3/1 is a better template for a beginner than SS or 5x5 because of the assistance lifts to keep balance within the kinetic chain.I have not run it, but I am familiar with it. I still think for a beginner SS and 5x5 should be run first. Squatting 3 times a week works well for beginners.
I do not agree with beginners using 531, but i see it recomended a lot.
I think we went over this before, and I disagree. I feel the first few months are not the time to worry about the kinetic chain, addressing weaknesses, ect. Learning and working on the squat and deadlift should be priority for the beginning strength trainer. I don't think SS should be used for more than a few months. 5x5 are customizable enough that they can be used forever if you wanted.IMO, 5/3/1 is a better template for a beginner than SS or 5x5 because of the assistance lifts to keep balance within the kinetic chain.
If there is a weakness and/or misalignment in the kinetic chain, then all of the work the trainee puts in will be counterproductive as it will reenforce bad habits, further the gap between strength/weakness, and potentially set up an injury down the road. Neophyte or elite, proper balance is essential.I think we went over this before, and I disagree. I feel the first few months are not the time to worry about the kinetic chain, addressing weaknesses, ect. Learning and working on the squat and deadlift should be priority for the beginning strength trainer. I do agree there is not enough pulling and I did rows and face pulls during both routines.
I don't feel the average trainee will develope these imbalances in a few months.If there is a weakness and/or misalignment in the kinetic chain, then all of the work the trainee puts in will be counterproductive as it will reenforce bad habits, further the gap between strength/weakness, and potentially set up an injury down the road. Neophyte or elite, proper balance is essential.
For example, I had a client once whose kyphosis and posture was so poor that he could not complete a back squat without rounding his thoracic. All of the time that I would have spent teaching the squat would have been in vain since the foundation was so poor. Instead, I had to focus on thoracic strength and positioning before even addressing the proper technique for a back squat.
It doesn't take long to develop a muscular imbalance and 99.999% of new trainees will have pre-existing imbalances that will be exacerbated unless specifically addressed.I don't feel the average trainee will develope these imbalances in a few months.
There are exceptions, but on a message board without knowing the person asking the question I would give general advice unless something is specified.
BTW, I must have been editing my post while you were replying, sorry for that.
These can be addressed on either of those programs. I know Rippetoe is anal about not changing it at all, but really you can do whatever you want. I added some accessory movements to address weaknesses and it worked fine for me.It doesn't take long to develop a muscular imbalance and 99.999% of new trainees will have pre-existing imbalances that will be exacerbated unless specifically addressed.
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