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    Creatine has more benefits than just strength and mass. If your using it for only that than your really missing the point and are mis-guided. It is the studied supplement there is and if you have questions you should really do some reading on it. There is this thing called "Google" it is wonderful. I typed in the word "Creatine" and got About 21,000,000 results (0.19 seconds).

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    That made no sense at all. You can have a good cycle without creatine, but you'll have a better one with it. There's absolutely no reason it has to be either or. Creatine is totally safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnRock
    That made no sense at all. You can have a good cycle without creatine, but you'll have a better one with it. There's absolutely no reason it has to be either or. Creatine is totally safe.

    *edit* -re: joblow1
    Use all the creatine you want Ill stick with test and dbol etc. Its your preference too use it or not.
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    I take about 10g creatine a day.
    About 3G from my pwo, another 5 after and sometimes my protein powder has a gram or 3 in it.
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    Lol.... I run into this response all the time... There's NO reason NOT to take it, its not going to harm you at all, you can only benefit from it. Its cheap as dirt, cheaper actually, and it performs in a way in which steroids do not, in fact it has incredible synergy with many steroids, supercharging them if you will.

    Go ahead and "save" it, all your doing is shortchanging yourself... Its something that takes a long time to load and requires saturation, you don't grow tolerant to it either, so its not stronger by refraining to use it then bringing it out in a clinch for pct... In fact you fail to get its full effects for even a couple of weeks in pct doing that.

    Read up on it, what it does, how it does it and how steroids not only don't replace it, but work better with it.... Then come back and apologize for sounding like an idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1
    I take about 10g creatine a day.
    About 3G from my pwo, another 5 after and sometimes my protein powder has a gram or 3 in it.
    Bro, I swear you are getting alzheimer's... You posted this already... Lol... You do this all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough

    Bro, I swear you are getting alzheimer's... You posted this already... Lol... You do this all the time.
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    So creatine will still be effective even if I take a few days off, say now more than like a week when I take a week of from lifting every 3 or 4 months. Also if I take it just 4 days a week will it have the same effectiveness? I've noticed if I take it and I don't lift I piss alot like every 20 minutes for like 3 hours, but if I'm active on it, I only piss every 20 minutes for about an hour to 1.5 hours. Even if I drink alot of water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerickVonD
    So creatine will still be effective even if I take a few days off, say now more than like a week when I take a week of from lifting every 3 or 4 months. Also if I take it just 4 days a week will it have the same effectiveness? I've noticed if I take it and I don't lift I piss alot like every 20 minutes for like 3 hours, but if I'm active on it, I only piss every 20 minutes for about an hour to 1.5 hours. Even if I drink alot of water.
    There's a good chance that if you're an omnivore and take any modern supplements, four days a week should be fine for maintenance. You reach a saturation point (see, genetic limit) that is maintained by lower doses than your typical loading phase. If you're eating meat, you'll receive some from there, and most every supplement contains creatine nowadays. I would wager that you would be fine taking it every other day.

    What cracks me up is how studied creatine is, yet how misunderstood it is. Creatine is present in your muscles regardless of what you're doing (it wouldn't be a fun few seconds between ATP depletion and glycolysis ramp up without it) mostly as phosphocreatine, but also in free form. PCr is broken to provide quick re-energizing of ADP to ATP so a maximally saturated creatine pool is nothing less than beneficial. And like i said, that level has a hard genetic limit, which you may or may not reach without supps (non-responders). Cycling it won't supercompensate; only increased muscle mass will lead to greater levels in your creatine pool.

    To address other issues raised, it's also safe as it is naturally occurring in the body. I don't advocate spamming 40 grams a day with minimal fluid intake, but sensible loading and adequate hydration are perfectly safe for ALMOST everyone. Scientists are also looking at its effectiveness at treating a variety of brain ailments, so there's that too.

    Finally, creatine is very specific in how it aids performance. Distance runners won't see performance gains, but you will likely see slightly more left in the tank during weight training and short, explosive movements such as sprinting (correct me on the last bit if needed, haven't read studies in a while).

    Hope that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsams89 View Post
    There's a good chance that if you're an omnivore and take any modern supplements, four days a week should be fine for maintenance. You reach a saturation point (see, genetic limit) that is maintained by lower doses than your typical loading phase. If you're eating meat, you'll receive some from there, and most every supplement contains creatine nowadays. I would wager that you would be fine taking it every other day.

    What cracks me up is how studied creatine is, yet how misunderstood it is. Creatine is present in your muscles regardless of what you're doing (it wouldn't be a fun few seconds between ATP depletion and glycolysis ramp up without it) mostly as phosphocreatine, but also in free form. PCr is broken to provide quick re-energizing of ADP to ATP so a maximally saturated creatine pool is nothing less than beneficial. And like i said, that level has a hard genetic limit, which you may or may not reach without supps (non-responders). Cycling it won't supercompensate; only increased muscle mass will lead to greater levels in your creatine pool.

    To address other issues raised, it's also safe as it is naturally occurring in the body. I don't advocate spamming 40 grams a day with minimal fluid intake, but sensible loading and adequate hydration are perfectly safe for ALMOST everyone. Scientists are also looking at its effectiveness at treating a variety of brain ailments, so there's that too.

    Finally, creatine is very specific in how it aids performance. Distance runners won't see performance gains, but you will likely see slightly more left in the tank during weight training and short, explosive movements such as sprinting (correct me on the last bit if needed, haven't read studies in a while).

    Hope that helps.
    I read somewhere that creatine malate, might be better than monohydrate, because it brings more of the creatine to your muscles and you waste less of it, which I would assume if that is true, that I would piss less when taking malate, but idk how true this is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerickVonD
    I read somewhere that creatine malate, might be better than monohydrate, because it brings more of the creatine to your muscles and you waste less of it, which I would assume if that is true, that I would piss less when taking malate, but idk how true this is.
    If you're saturated, it makes no difference. Go cheap with Vitamin Shoppe monohydrate and you'll be saving yourself money (it really is cheaper than dirt). Even during a load, I would stick with monohydrate. It may take slightly longer to hit saturation, but I can guarantee it's the cheaper option. That's one thing about the supplement business--they cash in when people are ill-informed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsams89 View Post
    If you're saturated, it makes no difference. Go cheap with Vitamin Shoppe monohydrate and you'll be saving yourself money (it really is cheaper than dirt). Even during a load, I would stick with monohydrate. It may take slightly longer to hit saturation, but I can guarantee it's the cheaper option. That's one thing about the supplement business--they cash in when people are ill-informed.
    I just don't like pissing like crazy lol. I've been taking 5g a day. Today is the third day I haven't taken any, just because I took 3 days off of lifting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerickVonD
    I just don't like pissing like crazy lol. I've been taking 5g a day. Today is the third day I haven't taken any, just because I took 3 days off of lifting.
    I think research has shown maintenance with 2g. How much water are you drinking? There is overkill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsams89 View Post
    I think research has shown maintenance with 2g. How much water are you drinking? There is overkill.
    I drink about a gallon a day roughly and on days I lift I drink maybe close to two, because I take the creatine at night before I lift and I take a gallon jug with me, and once I'm done lifting that gallon jug is almost empty. So, I'm going to say I drink a gallon on none lifting days and 1.5-2 gallons on workout nights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerickVonD
    I drink about a gallon a day roughly and on days I lift I drink maybe close to two, because I take the creatine at night before I lift and I take a gallon jug with me, and once I'm done lifting that gallon jug is almost empty. So, I'm going to say I drink a gallon on none lifting days and 1.5-2 gallons on workout nights.
    I'm going to take a shot here and say it's the water intake causing you to urinate frequently. Hydration is important, but you're not accomplishing anything by overhydrating. A gallon should more than get you by unless you're sweating bullets for hours a day. Also, make sure you're taking in adequate electrolytes through food/beverages. Not a problem normally, but sweating a lot and drinking a gallon during your workout can potentially cause some problems if you're training long enough or you gulp down the water in a short amount of time.

    I've found cutting a Gatorade with water (half and half) is one way to do it. Doesn't taste the best, but it won't make you sick. Again, just don't gulp it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsams89 View Post
    I'm going to take a shot here and say it's the water intake causing you to urinate frequently. Hydration is important, but you're not accomplishing anything by overhydrating. A gallon should more than get you by unless you're sweating bullets for hours a day. Also, make sure you're taking in adequate electrolytes through food/beverages. Not a problem normally, but sweating a lot and drinking a gallon during your workout can potentially cause some problems if you're training long enough or you gulp down the water in a short amount of time.

    I've found cutting a Gatorade with water (half and half) is one way to do it. Doesn't taste the best, but it won't make you sick. Again, just don't gulp it.
    I just get thirsty when I lift and I lift afew hours before bed, atleast 2-3 hours after dinner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerickVonD
    I just get thirsty when I lift and I lift afew hours before bed, atleast 2-3 hours after dinner.
    Related question: are you diabetic?

    Anywho, like I said, drink water but it's impressive you're still thirsty after a gallon. Haha. That's where I got my first question. How do you partition water intake throughout the day?

    Actually, have you ever used a refractometer to check your hydration?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsams89 View Post
    Related question: are you diabetic?

    Anywho, like I said, drink water but it's impressive you're still thirsty after a gallon. Haha. That's where I got my first question. How do you partition water intake throughout the day?

    Actually, have you ever used a refractometer to check your hydration?
    No I havn't and I just had blood work done last month, everything came back fine except that I was low on vitamin D. I have checked my blood sugar before though. My stepdad is diabetic. I havn't checked it after I had ate, but last time I checked it before I ate lunch it was about 100 I believe. I can't remember if we checked it before breakfast or before lunch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerickVonD
    No I havn't and I just had blood work done last month, everything came back fine except that I was low on vitamin D. I have checked my blood sugar before though. My stepdad is diabetic. I havn't checked it after I had ate, but last time I checked it before I ate lunch it was about 100 I believe. I can't remember if we checked it before breakfast or before lunch.
    Just a thought. That tends to be a symptom, but I wouldn't worry if your blood work is OK.

    You can buy some decent monitoring stuff for cheap or see if a sports medicine/athletic training center could help you out. Like I said, that's a lot of water to feel thirsty. It may be nothing, but I tend to err on the side of caution.
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    Well I discovered my protein powder has creatine in it. I have never had the pissing problem when taking my powder. It states on the powder that the blend is 3.359g. http://www.sixstarpronutrition.com/p...us/index.shtml
    Idk if that means all the amino acids stated are that amount or all together. I always have my powder on days I work out post workout. So, I've noticed when I take the creatine, it doesn't really give me more strength or mass, but it does give me the energy I need to lift, especially if I got say 6 hours sleep instead of 8. However, I am still progressing on adding weight to my workouts at the same rate I was before I started taking creatine. If I take creatine and drink a lot, I piss alot and it keeps me up (1.5-2 gallons of water). If I take creatine and just have my regular amount of water I usually have say 1 gallon, I piss and it keeps me up, but I've noticed with less water intake on creatine, I piss just as much but in shorter streams. So, either way I may just have to stop taking it at this point, especially considering it is just giving me energy and not really making me gain strength faster. I just can't take not going to sleep until 3-4 hours past the time that I want to goto bed.
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    That isn't the creatine. To my knowledge, creatine isn't a CNS stimulant. How close do you exercise to bed? How intense are you? Do you take other supplements? Those all play a role.

    Also, if your protein powder includes creatine, you can drop the extra supplementation. You're just flushing money down the toilet (literally).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsams89 View Post
    That isn't the creatine. To my knowledge, creatine isn't a CNS stimulant. How close do you exercise to bed? How intense are you? Do you take other supplements? Those all play a role.

    Also, if your protein powder includes creatine, you can drop the extra supplementation. You're just flushing money down the toilet (literally).
    I workout about 3 hours before bed. I workout after my last meal. My workout is about an hour to an hour and a half on average, except on leg days where I just do squats. I do take other supps, but I take them when I get up and fish oil I take after dinner. I take Vitamin D, a multi, Zinc and a calcium, magnesium and zinc supp. The reason I take extra zinc is the mineral supp has zinc but its under dosed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerickVonD View Post
    I workout about 3 hours before bed. I workout after my last meal. My workout is about an hour to an hour and a half on average, except on leg days where I just do squats. I do take other supps, but I take them when I get up and fish oil I take after dinner. I take Vitamin D, a multi, Zinc and a calcium, magnesium and zinc supp. The reason I take extra zinc is the mineral supp has zinc but its under dosed.
    Unless you have medical issues or are taking medications that adversely affect your zinc level, you can drop the zinc supplement. Well, as long as your diet is in line too. Zinc can affect your absorption of other nutrients (copper and iron).

    Do you drink caffeine or take any other stimulants? You could be exciting your nervous system to the point that you require an extended period to calm down. It happens. The athletes we work with (sliding sports) require prescription sleep meds some nights, as driving down a complex track at 60+mph definitely fires up the nervous system. That may or may not be what you're experiencing (high neurological stimulation, that is), but stimulants and intense exercise are the two culprits that come to mind first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsams89 View Post
    Unless you have medical issues or are taking medications that adversely affect your zinc level, you can drop the zinc supplement. Well, as long as your diet is in line too. Zinc can affect your absorption of other nutrients (copper and iron).

    Do you drink caffeine or take any other stimulants? You could be exciting your nervous system to the point that you require an extended period to calm down. It happens. The athletes we work with (sliding sports) require prescription sleep meds some nights, as driving down a complex track at 60+mph definitely fires up the nervous system. That may or may not be what you're experiencing (high neurological stimulation, that is), but stimulants and intense exercise are the two culprits that come to mind first.
    I'll have a cup of coffee rarely, say every few months. I don't take any stimulants. I take melatonin some nights. Lately it's been hard to get on a decent sleep routine. I always wind up like sleeping 6-7 hours and taking a nap. Even if I try to sleep all the way through for 8 hours I can't and I always get up atleast once to piss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerickVonD
    I'll have a cup of coffee rarely, say every few months. I don't take any stimulants. I take melatonin some nights. Lately it's been hard to get on a decent sleep routine. I always wind up like sleeping 6-7 hours and taking a nap. Even if I try to sleep all the way through for 8 hours I can't and I always get up atleast once to piss.
    Consistency is important. With my schedule, I have no consistency so I tend to nap. Nothing wrong with them, in fact 20-30 minutes can be beneficial. Now if it's a couple hours, that could do it too.
  

  
 

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