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Should a personal trainer totally epitomize their industry by looking like a magazine fitness model, or is just being relatively "fit" good enough. Do you think that looks pay a large part in clients chosing trainers?
Yea, mark rip, or whatever the guy who made crossfit's name is definitely doesn't look like he even could do anything... but he is VERY knowledgeable.obviously if the trainer looks better its a good marketing tool, however they don't have to be in shape to be extremely knowledgeable about the subject of weight training and diet.....i like to look at like a bill belichick couldn't tackle but he'll work circles around players when it comes to football knowledge
same thing with a guy at my gym, he was mr PA back in the day, he got sick, but by just by looking at him you wouldn't think he knew anything because he's skinny and fragile looking right now....but you talk to him and your like wow, this guy knows his stuff...don't judge a book by its coverYea, mark rip, or whatever the guy who made crossfit's name is definitely doesn't look like he even could do anything... but he is VERY knowledgeable.
Sadly it is VERY important for getting clients. It doesn't matter what they might actually know just as long as they look good.Should a personal trainer totally epitomize their industry by looking like a magazine fitness model, or is just being relatively "fit" good enough. Do you think that looks pay a large part in clients chosing trainers?
x2. Especially in commercial gym settings. If you don't look the part you need to make sure you are very good at sales.Sadly it is VERY important for getting clients. It doesn't matter what they might actually know just as long as they look good.
Yes and yes. I think a PT should absolutely look good, be it big and muscular, shredded, whatever. Being some sort of skinny-fat (or skinny-obese, which I have seen plenty of) is a no-no in my book. These types usually have you doing bosu ball squats and biking to warm up for any sort of hip exercises (LOL???).Should a personal trainer totally epitomize their industry by looking like a magazine fitness model, or is just being relatively "fit" good enough. Do you think that looks pay a large part in clients chosing trainers?
I don't see why the "sadly" or other peoples talking as if they think its wrong. What good is any amount of knowledge if you can't put it into practice? And how well can you motivate a client if you can't apparently motivate yourself?Sadly it is VERY important for getting clients. It doesn't matter what they might actually know just as long as they look good.
AgreedI don't see why the "sadly" or other peoples talking as if they think its wrong. What good is any amount of knowledge if you can't put it into practice? And how well can you motivate a client if you can't apparently motivate yourself?
I'm not saying i'd think a trainer should be a 6' 250lb 7% bf person, but under 15% bf i'd think is a must and enough muscle to look good in a t-shirt at that bodyfat.
The sadly is because the typical gym client will value the aesthetic appeal of their trainer rather then their actual knowledge. You can be dumb as dirt but if you got a six pack and big arms you can walk into a gym and pick clients up left and right. Im not saying a trainer should be a fat slob, but when someone is selecting a trainer how they look shouldnt even matter or be a consideration IMO.I don't see why the "sadly" or other peoples talking as if they think its wrong. What good is any amount of knowledge if you can't put it into practice? And how well can you motivate a client if you can't apparently motivate yourself?
I'm not saying i'd think a trainer should be a 6' 250lb 7% bf person, but under 15% bf i'd think is a must and enough muscle to look good in a t-shirt at that bodyfat.
simply not true. A 20%+ bodyfat trainer regardless of technical knowledge either has a deficit in motivation or application of knowledge. I'll grant that many people who do look good have no knowledge, but someone who has knowledge but looks bad isn't any more useful than they are.If someone is looking for a trainer there looks are ZERO indication of what they know.
but what if the trainer just doesn't have the dream or goals to have that kind of physique....but rather wants to put his knowledge into helping ppl that do strive for that looksimply not true. A 20%+ bodyfat trainer regardless of technical knowledge either has a deficit in motivation or application of knowledge. I'll grant that many people who do look good have no knowledge, but someone who has knowledge but looks bad isn't any more useful than they are.
ok but 99% of clients at a gym are looking to lose bodyfat, not break a 400lb deadlift.but what if the trainer just doesn't have the dream or goals to have that kind of physique....but rather wants to put his knowledge into helping ppl that do strive for that look
i'll gladly take training advice from powerlifters, about technique or different ideas to grow, but they don't necessarily have 6 packs or anything that i'd want to look like.....doesn't mean they are any less knowledgeable about the subject....they just dont' strive for the same look
I agree with this. Looking good in a T shirt (or whatever you happen to be training in) is enough. The trainer I'm talking about at my gym at a full on pot belly, and always looked unhappy and depressed....I don't see why the "sadly" or other peoples talking as if they think its wrong. What good is any amount of knowledge if you can't put it into practice? And how well can you motivate a client if you can't apparently motivate yourself?
I'm not saying i'd think a trainer should be a 6' 250lb 7% bf person, but under 15% bf i'd think is a must and enough muscle to look good in a t-shirt at that bodyfat.
The woman comparison is so true! Seeing make up/fashion is like the woman equivalent of body building lol.There is this PT at one of the gyms I go to...he is in his late 30's maybe early 40's, average height, and doesn't look like he has lifted a day in his life, just a little skin and bones dude, and I don't respect his opinion at all. When he tries to give me pointers I just give him a "who the hell are you" look, I hate it when he tries to rush over to spot me, and everyone else is the same. I just think "oh really is that why you're so huge?"
It is the equivalent of a woman taking beauty and fashion tips from a butched woman in a flannel cutoff shirt, jean shorts, and no makeup lol.
Wow... that is damn impressive. RespectI am 68 years-old. That in itself should stop PT clients in their tracks. I am probably the oldest full-time Fitness Director in the YMCA nationwide. As a full-time employee, I'm allowed up to 12 hours of additional Personal Training work per week. I have a waiting list for clients. Before I became the Fitness Director I was a Personal Trainer at the Y and averaged 32 hours of PT training each week. My clients came to me because they like the way I train my clients. It doesn't hurt that I am also a Master Professional Bodybuilder. So at my age, do "looks" matter? I don't know. LOL
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I'd hire you. Most the guys I go to for advice in the gym are in their 50's.I am 68 years-old. That in itself should stop PT clients in their tracks. I am probably the oldest full-time Fitness Director in the YMCA nationwide. As a full-time employee, I'm allowed up to 12 hours of additional Personal Training work per week. I have a waiting list for clients. Before I became the Fitness Director I was a Personal Trainer at the Y and averaged 32 hours of PT training each week. My clients came to me because they like the way I train my clients. It doesn't hurt that I am also a Master Professional Bodybuilder. So at my age, do "looks" matter? I don't know. LOL
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Thanks. You'll have to take a number. LOLI'd hire you. Most the guys I go to for advice in the gym are in their 50's.
You in the Chicago land area?Thanks. You'll have to take a number. LOL
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I used to live in Chicago, where I had an apartment in Lake Point Towers at Navy Pier and worked in the Wrigley Building on Michigan Avenue when I was working for MTV Music Television, but, alas, now I live and work in Birmingham, Alabama.You in the Chicago land area?
Are you kidding me? Looking like that at 68, of course I'd pick you!I am 68 years-old. That in itself should stop PT clients in their tracks. I am probably the oldest full-time Fitness Director in the YMCA nationwide. As a full-time employee, I'm allowed up to 12 hours of additional Personal Training work per week. I have a waiting list for clients. Before I became the Fitness Director I was a Personal Trainer at the Y and averaged 32 hours of PT training each week. My clients came to me because they like the way I train my clients. It doesn't hurt that I am also a Master Professional Bodybuilder. So at my age, do "looks" matter? I don't know. LOL
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Thanks, Staked :cheers:Mad props old navy!
Thanks. As a retired U.S. Navy Captain, I like your Avatar of "Ole Blood and Guts," General George C. Patton.Old Navy, I was going to say I hope I look like you when I'm 68 but I should rephrase that - I wish I looked like you NOW!
Do you think $500.00 up front and $50.00 a session is a lot for a trainer? It includes 18 weeks of contest prep, diet, training, supplements, posing, ect.Thanks, Staked :cheers:
No, that package is not unreasonable. One caution though. If you are doing gear, it's fine to have a IFBB/NPC trainer. Contest prep is different if you are cycling and not competing as a natural athlete in a tested competition. The diet and contest prep is different and if you are natural, even if you are doing an NPC show, you might do better to have a trainer who has competed in the natural arena to help you.Do you think $500.00 up front and $50.00 a session is a lot for a trainer? It includes 18 weeks of contest prep, diet, training, supplements, posing, ect.
A little back round on the trainer. IFBB pro and a chief NPC judge.
Thats good advice and I'm natural and doing a natty / tested show. Thanks a bunch I'll be checking out you site.No, that package is not unreasonable. One caution though. If you are doing gear, it's fine to have a IFBB/NPC trainer. Contest prep is different if you are cycling and not competing as a natural athlete in a tested competition. The diet and contest prep is different and if you are natural, even if you are doing an NPC show, you might do better to have a trainer who has competed in the natural arena to help you.
I know one natural Pro distance trainer who asks $200/month for contest prep advice. Another well known trainer (Dr. Joe) asks $175/month. I know another Pro who charges $1,400/year to provide ongoing diet and training plans and contest prep.
I ask $65/month to provide distance training contest prep. I have worked with distance training clients in Washington, Utah, California, Georgia, New York, Hong Kong, Baghdad, Iraq, Washington, DC, Florida, Ohio, Arizona and on board a U.S. Navy ship via email only. My web site is: www.BodyBuildingSenior.com. I hold Pro Cards in four natural organizations, NGA, WNSO, IDFA, NPA and work with bodybuilders, figure, bikini model and male fitness model competitors. I have competed in more than 40 shows, including six NPC events, have judged at least 15 shows, have MC'd several shows and am the promoter of the annual NGA Alabama Natural Open Bodybuilding, Figure and Bikini Model Championships, a Super Pro Qualifier every July. This year's show is in Birmingham, Alabama on July 14.
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This is really good advice, especially regarding the hiring of a trainer/consultant who specializes in natural vs. enhanced athletes.No, that package is not unreasonable. One caution though. If you are doing gear, it's fine to have a IFBB/NPC trainer. Contest prep is different if you are cycling and not competing as a natural athlete in a tested competition. The diet and contest prep is different and if you are natural, even if you are doing an NPC show, you might do better to have a trainer who has competed in the natural arena to help you.
I know one natural Pro distance trainer who asks $200/month for contest prep advice. Another well known trainer (Dr. Joe) asks $175/month. I know another Pro who charges $1,400/year to provide ongoing diet and training plans and contest prep.
I ask $65/month to provide distance training contest prep. I have worked with distance training clients in Washington, Utah, California, Georgia, New York, Hong Kong, Baghdad, Iraq, Washington, DC, Florida, Ohio, Arizona and on board a U.S. Navy ship via email only. My web site is: www.BodyBuildingSenior.com. I hold Pro Cards in four natural organizations, NGA, WNSO, IDFA, NPA and work with bodybuilders, figure, bikini model and male fitness model competitors. I have competed in more than 40 shows, including six NPC events, have judged at least 15 shows, have MC'd several shows and am the promoter of the annual NGA Alabama Natural Open Bodybuilding, Figure and Bikini Model Championships, a Super Pro Qualifier every July. This year's show is in Birmingham, Alabama on July 14.
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Amen to this. Couldn't feel u more! Still can't get a dr to take me seriously. Once infinally get a diagnosis I should really sue this current sob for negligenceJust to throw this scenario into the ring:
You've seen my avatar and other photos at one point in time that showed where my body was at. It has since turned into an abomination (aside from my arms and upper back) due to whatever unknown/undiagnosed medical/biological issue(s) I'm dealing with. I still lift 5 days a week, I still eat clean and restricted calories, I still get in cardio, etc. But if you saw me and didn't know me, you'd think I was just a fat guy with big arms.
That's one of the most sickening things about what I'm going through, because I actually enjoy helping people, but admittedly, I sure wouldn't listen to someone who looks like me, even though I've spent a large amount of my free time in the past several years studying nutrition along with more training.
I'm not saying that's even close to common and in fact, it may not even be something anyone else is dealing with. However, I'm someone who prides myself in my knowledge and my body, but for whatever reason, it doesn't look like it, right now.