Could you show me any science that shows supination, probation or anywhere in between having any effect on muscle activation in the back when elbow position does not change?
As states above in my original question to you.
Anyway as for your last post.
Ah don't try and change your argument or what you said. Of course grip can effect the way the elbow travels but that has not once been argued here. Your comments were about GRIP directly effecting activation of back muscles. Look back. I said that wide grip rows with elbows out is a far more effective rear delt ex than bent laterals. It was after that when u again kept talking about grip, posted a link that does NOT support what you said, continue to argue while refusing to show any evidence that supports your claims.
AGAIN... What matters when you talk about fiber recruitment and fiber activation at the shoulder joint is elbow position and NOT grip (in terms of rotation. I.e. suppination, pronation or hammer/parallel grip).
I asked for the.science to support your claims and you provide none, well you link an article but even that article (why not link actual studies and not peoples interpretation of studies or research? But anyway...) does not say what you claim. You keep mentioning that article which means I must assume you do not understand what it says so I will ask yet again... QUOTE YOUR ARTICLE TO PROVE YOUR POINT.
I have not been insulting even though I have been frustrated by your posts, if you want to try to insult then feel free but that does not change how incorrect you are.
I don't blame you and actually applaud you for trying to gain knowledge BUT I believe you are doing what most seem to do. You are coming to a conclusion that you WANT to come to and not what any science shows. If I find a review or article based on any study or any research I find the study or research and read it myself... I want to know how they performed the study, what was the studies conclusions and not some internet or magazine authors, etc...
Off topic but let me give an example (not pertaining to your link).
This is just a real simple one.
Many or most emg related work is done with dramatically sub max loads.... Often in the 20-40% of 1rm... Then conclusions are made regarding muscle recruitment. WRONG. fiber recruitment can change drastically based on load. I an not looking it up rt now but I remember one ex that has a dramatic difference is pulldowns behind the neck. The fiber recruitment changes so drastically based on % of 1rm its not even funny.
I am not trying to insult you or arguing to argue. I just want people to think and I want you to prove what you claim... That grip changes fiber recruitment at the shoulder joint independent of elbow position.