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Which one is overall better for mass and strength!
Agreed on the power and coordination. The clean, or any other movement with triple extension is vital to building every type of athletic performance and power.Rofl, the deadlift is superior in these regards. But the poweclean is really great for developing coordination and explosive strength in a single move/rep scheme, whereas to develop burst strength with the deadlift you might have to do different things with your programming (speed reps, bands, etc). Additionally, I guess you can use the powerclean for a dynamic movement in a powerlifting-type routine, but they shine in an olympic weightlifting routine where you repeatedly do similar movements (cleans, snatches, jerks); these small but frequent abuses to the back muscles, leg muscles, and shoulders lead to great increases in their strength and size.
That is exactly what my beef is with crossfit.. They have this belief that only oly lifts can develop explosiveness and dedicate hours upon hours of their athletes performing ridiculous amounts of reps with these VERY technical lifts. I have no problem with oly lifts per se, but people tend to not realize that oly lifting is a sport in itself and it takes years for some if the pros to perfect their form on a movement like a snatch but yet crossfit will have a person who is their first time lifting performing this highly technical move for reps.Dead lift will have the greatest effect on hypertrophy, especially if that is the main goal. The power clean is an explosive movement with reps < 4-5, and generally is abused in a lot of training circles (a la crossfit). In addition, it is a very technical exercise and requires much longer to teach than the dead lift. Thats not to say getting better at the clean will not increase size, it will, though not as directly as the dl.
Br
Preach on. 100% agreement, and I think most strength and conditioning coaches feel the same way.That is exactly what my beef is with crossfit.. They have this belief that only oly lifts can develop explosiveness and dedicate hours upon hours of their athletes performing ridiculous amounts of reps with these VERY technical lifts. I have no problem with oly lifts per se, but people tend to not realize that oly lifting is a sport in itself and it takes years for some if the pros to perfect their form on a movement like a snatch but yet crossfit will have a person who is their first time lifting performing this highly technical move for reps.
They are many other ways to develop explosiveness. Oly lifts aren't the only way. One of my favorite movements to work your triple extension is a overhead throw with a keg or sandbag. Loads of fun outdoors
What about the swinging chinup they do? Its Quickest way to a shoulder injury i could imagineDead lift will have the greatest effect on hypertrophy, especially if that is the main goal. The power clean is an explosive movement with reps < 4-5, and generally is abused in a lot of training circles (a la crossfit). In addition, it is a very technical exercise and requires much longer to teach than the dead lift. Thats not to say getting better at the clean will not increase size, it will, though not as directly as the dl.
Br
You mean the muscle ups that go from a chin-up to a dip?What about the swinging chinup they do? Its Quickest way to a shoulder injury i could imagine
Kipping chins are interesting. I'm not sure who decided they were the "way" to do chums except its somewhat military origins. Very much not good for the shoulders.What about the swinging chinup they do? Its Quickest way to a shoulder injury i could imagine
The clean ends before the pressing portion. When you dip under into a split stance is a clean and jerk; feet still together is a clean and press. As you progress to heavier weights, the jerk becomes a necessary component.Agreed dl=mass, pc=power
Docmattic watched the clip. lmfoa!
so anyone down for talking proper technique for a power clean. The way I learned in highschool seems to be the most utilized movments, Start in deadlift position, controlled pull upward until your in a position similar to a front squat and finish with a military press. Most of the clips I seen on youtube ppl forget the finish military press kicking one leg back ?
That's not part of the clean/power clean, though. You're talking about a clean and press, or from your comments about kicking a leg back, the clean and jerk.Agreed dl=mass, pc=power
Docmattic watched the clip. lmfoa!
so anyone down for talking proper technique for a power clean. The way I learned in highschool seems to be the most utilized movments, Start in deadlift position, controlled pull upward until your in a position similar to a front squat and finish with a military press. Most of the clips I seen on youtube ppl forget the finish military press kicking one leg back ?
Cleans shouldn't be done above 4-5 reps. Technique gets sloppy and the weight is more "muscled up" than done in an explosive fashion. All major power oriented movements are ATP-PCr system and you can't do many reps with this energy system.Man, I was wondering why I felt like blacking out after doing 3 sets of 10 at 135. I always thought when this guys say there doing this on there powerclean, im thinking this guys are beasts. But it beacuse there doing half of what ive been doing!
This is how I learned :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PondyTERGwA&feature=related
Just not as sloppy as this kid! But you get the idea.
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