sound advice Rosie..much appreciated.
thats kind of what i was thinking, but like you mentioned if i continue abdominal exercises, by the time i aim for fat loss ill have something decent to work with..

as far as ph/ds, i see where you're coming from but i'm using it as a jump start and will continue a good diet and training to maintain and further build. i dont plan on running another cycle anytime soon. next sumer would be the earliest i would consider the idea, if ever