MRI results are in...

[SilverZ06]

Have a badly torn tendon in my shoulder. It has been over a month and the doc says he won't do any shots for another month. He believes it should heal itself. Anyone have any insight on this? I was thinking about calling today and demanding the shot so I can heal faster. I have vacation coming up on the 4th of July and so forth and this pain needs to stop. Not to mention, I have been out of the gym since I originally hurt it and have lost 15lbs....I look and feel small as hell.

[ShadowFury]

Man, sorry to hear

If it is going to heal, I would just wait the month and not go against the doc's suggestion, he's been in this longer than you have and you don't wanna screw anything else up by trying it. That being said, it's your body and it could go either way.

[Nitrox]

Shots don't heal you faster, they help with pain and inflammation. In fact, cortisone usually f'ks the joint up in the long run, partially because people then go back to their regular routine on a still-damaged body part.

If the MRI suggests that you have a bad tear, you are probably looking at 6-12 months of nursing it back to 90+ %. Sorry, connective tissue just takes that long.

But why have you totally quit the gym? Firstly, there are still a lot of exercises that you can do that don't involve your shoulders. Secondly, any physiotherapist will tell you that once inflammation is down, that you have to start doing rehab exercises.

[deadaim]

IGF-1 injections

[SilverZ06]

Ok, I called the doc again and asked what can be done as I cannot keep living in pain and want this over with. I was told that the only injection they would do now is cortizone but that, IMO, won't do anything besides give me the feeling that it is gone until I totally rip it. Then she said they can do a direct test shot to see if that would stimulate recovery but that would be a last result to going in and trying to do some sort of surgical procedure. So from the sounds of it, I am pretty screwed. How often will a tendon heal on its own?

I am not sure on what workouts I can do without injuring it further. Pushups hurt, shoulders seem totally out, back hurts, sot hat only leaves arms and legs. Issue with arms being that I was also told I have tennis elbow in my left arm. I'm a total mess. I figured running a test and deca cycle would have kept the joints nice and lubed and everything growing and recovery nicely....apparently something went wrong.

[urbanski]

which tendon specifically?
and was it an acute or chronic tear? the treatment will vary.

cortisone shots will NOT, repeat NOT, heal it, but like you said simply mask the pain until you rip it completely. Do not get one.

Nitrox nailed it, non-surgical treatment can take months. I'd see an Orthopedist. Surgery may be the fix for you. Depends on the specifics.

[SilverZ06]

He didn't state which one or how bad. He showed me the MRI results and there was a white pea size blob on the outer edge of my shoulder......if that helps. (obviously the white was from the dye)

[urbanski]

haha that doesnt help
if you can get the report copy and PM me, i can help go over it

[deadaim]

haha that doesnt help
if you can get the report copy and PM me, i can help go over it

Pretty much urban is a G. Hope you guys figure something out. rough stuff.

[SilverZ06]

Oh, and the doctor I saw is an Ortho. This is him: http://www.stlorthospecialists.com/howard.html

I will see what I can do about getting more specifics from him as to what tendon is injured and so forth.

[gamer2be08]

HGH & IGF-1 & Testosterone & Deca

FTW!

[SilverZ06]

Some reading I found:

"A variety of other molecules are involved in tendon repair and regeneration. There are five growth factors that have been shown to be significantly upregulated and active during tendon healing: insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-I), platelet-derived growth factor (PDGF), vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF), basic fibroblast growth factor (bFGF), and transforming growth factor beta (TGF-β).[21] These growth factors all have different roles during the healing process. IGF-1 increases collagen and proteoglycan production during the first stage of inflammation, and PDGF is also present during the early stages after injury and promotes the synthesis of other growth factors along with the synthesis of DNA and the proliferation of tendon cells.[21] The three isoforms of TGF-β (TGF-β1, TGF-β2, TGF-β3) are known to play a role in wound healing and scar formation.[23] VEGF is well known to promote angiogenesis and to induce endothelial cell proliferation and migration, and VEGF mRNA has been shown to be expressed at the site of tendon injuries along with collagen I mRNA.[24] Bone morphogenetic proteins (BMPs) are a subgroup of TGF-β superfamily that can induce bone and cartilage formation as well as tissue differentiation, and BMP-12 specifically has been shown to influence formation and differentiation of tendon tissue and to promote fibrogenesis."

-Wiki

[SilverZ06]

HGH & IGF-1 & Testosterone & Deca

FTW!

So if I start my test e and deca cycle again soon, you think that will promote healing faster?

[gamer2be08]

So if I start my test e and deca cycle again soon, you think that will promote healing faster?

Yes, but that means absolutely no training! And you can get Igf-1 at a decent price. That and HGH would heal you up so good.

[urbanski]

Oh, and the doctor I saw is an Ortho. This is him: http://www.stlorthospecialists.com/howard.html

I will see what I can do about getting more specifics from him as to what tendon is injured and so forth.

yeah, you can go to the place that did the MRI and request a copy of the report, it wont cost anything. i am interested as to why an Orthopedist suggested a shot and not surgical therapy....sounds like something a GP would say....but it really depends on the specifics. Say, if it was a chronic tear then no, surgery will not help.

[Jasen]

yeah alot of doctors these day are complete morons, few years ago one even told me ARGININE is a STEROID LMFAO, dumb ASSES

[SRS2000]

There are a few things to remember here. One is that it is not always possible or feasible to surgically repair partial tendon tears. For instance, if you have a relatively small tear in the supraspinatus tendon if may not be something that can really be repaired. Second, the rehab/recovery time in any case will be a few months. If you rest it and let it heal, it will likely require a few months. If you get surgery and go through the rehab process, it will also require at least a few months, if not more. Unfortunately, there is likely no easy or fast solution here and either way it will take time and some rehab.
Like others have said, I would certainly get more details so you know what you are dealing with.

[hardknock]

So if I start my test e and deca cycle again soon, you think that will promote healing faster?

I would research this with concern before I dove into the solution.
I have witnessed it go wrong on a major scale as well as turn out good.

[Jasen]

THIS < is why i DO NOT lift heavy on shoulders.