Deadlifts 3x8 are killing me....what do YOU do?

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  1. Deadlifts 3x8 are killing me....what do YOU do?


    I usually start my back routine with deads 3x8, then some pull ups, then BB rows 3x8...

    Lately I've been adding 5-10 pounds on deads and still getting 3x8, but afterwards I can barely hit 3x8 for rows and haven't added any weight for a few weeks. And my pull ups have been embarrassing as well

    Tonight for deads I did 415 x 8 x 2, then 420 x 8, and had to lay on the bench for a good 3-4 min to get my heart rate down and catch my breath, then pace around probably another 5 min before trying rows, which I immediately said "F this" on the first rep.

    So now I only did 3x8 on deads and that was my back day.....that doesn't seem like much....

    Any suggestions?

    Thanks!!
    True story:

    I give a f**K!!


  2. I do my deads at the very end. Weighted pullups, then BB rows, curls, hmr curls and then deadlofts.
    If I did them at the beginning I'd be spent.
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  3. I do deads first on my pull day ... have you looked at your warm up sets leading up to your working 3x8?

  4. I do 3x5-6 But I have been having the same problem as you when I get done with heavy deads. Maybe its time to take a week off and regain compusure, let your body fully recover. That should help somewhat. Also make sure you get proper pre workout nutrition.

  5. I have a day when I do deads, abs, cardio, and stretching. followed by at least 2 days of no lower back usage, giving my back max. recovery time. Change-up your routine where there's a couple days between your heavy pulling day and your deadlifts.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by killamac27 View Post
    I do 3x5-6 But I have been having the same problem as you when I get done with heavy deads. Maybe its time to take a week off and regain compusure, let your body fully recover. That should help somewhat. Also make sure you get proper pre workout nutrition.
    I was thinking the same, sounds like a recovery issue.

    I do deads last tho
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  7. Do deads last or close to last, less chance of injury after you're nice and warmed up from the other back exercises!

  8. I stretch, do a couple of LIGHT warmups with deads, a medium weight set of 8-10, then 3x8 heavy. Kills me! Then I do barbell or tbar rows, then pulldowns or seated cable rows, then shrugs (bar or dumbbells ). Because of such a heavy day, I do forearms on back day too. All done- about 50-60 min.
    For me, deads and rows MAKE my back day.
    Look forward to others training.

  9. put them at the end

  10. Aighty....next time I'll do them last and see how it goes....if not good then I'll make a back day then a "deadlift back day"...

    Thanks for all the advice!!
    True story:

    I give a f**K!!

  11. Do them in the beginning. Start with about 10 minutes of light cardio to get the CV and CNS systems warm. Then, do dynamic stretches followed by several (3-5) sets of warm-ups. I generally don't go above 5 reps on any sets of deadlifts as it is a strength exercise and form tends to get really crappy as the erectors begin to fatigue.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  12. I do them in the middle. That allows some time to get myself warmed up, yet still have tons of energy to pour into it. After deads, I take some time and work on something simple on my lower body, or something specific on my back that uses light weight. That allows my CNS and body to recover before going into the next heavy left.

    DEADLIFT
    -then one of the following-
    Calf raises
    rear flys
    side delt raises
    etc.

  13. i would personally never go over 5 reps... hell i wouldnt go over 3 but for Bodybuilders i dont think they would like that advice lol

  14. if youre looking for general muscle hypertrophy, you need not go under 8 or so reps.. those who said not to make it the first exercise i agree with because: 1. you want your muscle bellies nice and warm first; and 2. you will be too fried to efficiently do other exercises if you do deads out the gate
    Suffer now.. and live like a champion later.

  15. Deads>all other back excercises IMO..
    Just rest alot And warm up good 3 set of working dead sets took me about 25 min +or-
    Maybe I can do them first because of my young testosterone levels lol

  16. Quote Originally Posted by bezoe View Post
    if youre looking for general muscle hypertrophy, you need not go under 8 or so reps.. those who said not to make it the first exercise i agree with because: 1. you want your muscle bellies nice and warm first; and 2. you will be too fried to efficiently do other exercises if you do deads out the gate
    why would u wanna do deads at the end when it adds the most mass? I dont see the logic in going heavy on pulldowns then go to deads?

  17. Eat more,sleep more, Deadlift first, switch workouts. 1st back day heavy deadlifts+1 arm rows or t-bar rows. Next work out, speed work+rows+pull ups. Try adding a bit of cardio through the week if you persist in doing high rep deads as well.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by brownstown89 View Post
    i would personally never go over 5 reps... hell i wouldnt go over 3 but for Bodybuilders i dont think they would like that advice lol
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Do them in the beginning. Start with about 10 minutes of light cardio to get the CV and CNS systems warm. Then, do dynamic stretches followed by several (3-5) sets of warm-ups. I generally don't go above 5 reps on any sets of deadlifts as it is a strength exercise and form tends to get really crappy as the erectors begin to fatigue.
    i was thinking the same thing, if you're doing deads the correct way, getting 8 reps would be hell unless the weight was very light, then you wouldn't be getting a good w/o anyway. maybe 6 to warm up but if i'm lifting/pulling and setting the bar down, setting my grip again and repeating by 8 reps i'd be toast. something tells me you're what we can a floor-bouncer. i have a buddy like that too, it's ok if that's how you want to do them but it's not correct. lift/pull, set the bar down, slightly let go of the bar and reset your grip and lift/pull again

  19. Quote Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    i was thinking the same thing, if you're doing deads the correct way, getting 8 reps would be hell unless the weight was very light, then you wouldn't be getting a good w/o anyway. maybe 6 to warm up but if i'm lifting/pulling and setting the bar down, setting my grip again and repeating by 8 reps i'd be toast. something tells me you're what we can a floor-bouncer. i have a buddy like that too, it's ok if that's how you want to do them but it's not correct. lift/pull, set the bar down, slightly let go of the bar and reset your grip and lift/pull again
    So true. Most people do not approach deadlifts in the appropriate manner. It's not really a set of 5; it's a set of 5 singles.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  20. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    So true. Most people do not approach deadlifts in the appropriate manner. It's not really a set of 5; it's a set of 5 singles.
    Quote Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    i was thinking the same thing, if you're doing deads the correct way, getting 8 reps would be hell unless the weight was very light, then you wouldn't be getting a good w/o anyway. maybe 6 to warm up but if i'm lifting/pulling and setting the bar down, setting my grip again and repeating by 8 reps i'd be toast. something tells me you're what we can a floor-bouncer. i have a buddy like that too, it's ok if that's how you want to do them but it's not correct. lift/pull, set the bar down, slightly let go of the bar and reset your grip and lift/pull again
    When I do higher reps on DL I do this pace(although I use a traditional stance).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw5bg...ayer_embedded#!
    [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71wjGK1xjm8"]YouTube- 330kg x 8 deadlift[/nomedia]
    I would not reset my grip every time. Only if the circulation is affected or my hands are too sweaty. You obviously use a lighter weight than what you would crank out 4-6 with...like with any other exercise you would be using higher reps with. If you are putting maximal force into ANY rep scheme, it will tire you out.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by waynaferd View Post
    I usually start my back routine with deads 3x8, then some pull ups, then BB rows 3x8...

    Lately I've been adding 5-10 pounds on deads and still getting 3x8, but afterwards I can barely hit 3x8 for rows and haven't added any weight for a few weeks. And my pull ups have been embarrassing as well

    Tonight for deads I did 415 x 8 x 2, then 420 x 8, and had to lay on the bench for a good 3-4 min to get my heart rate down and catch my breath, then pace around probably another 5 min before trying rows, which I immediately said "F this" on the first rep.

    So now I only did 3x8 on deads and that was my back day.....that doesn't seem like much....

    Any suggestions?

    Thanks!!
    In my personal experience, my back grew more when I did nothing but deadlift for over a year. No rows, no pull ups, nothing else but heavy deads. And I rarely pulled anything for over 3 reps during this time. 5 reps is still the most I'll pull.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Chubbinmuffin View Post
    Do deads last or close to last, less chance of injury after you're nice and warmed up from the other back exercises!
    So I'm going to wait and do my heaviest exercise at the end of my workout when my muscles are already fatigued and this will decrese my chance for injury? What issue of M&F did you get this nonsense out of? Go ask Chuck Vogelpohl or Brian Siders or Andy Bolton where the deadlift falls in their order of exercises. I'd bet my home it isn't last.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Ironhyde View Post
    So I'm going to wait and do my heaviest exercise at the end of my workout when my muscles are already fatigued and this will decrese my chance for injury? What issue of M&F did you get this nonsense out of? Go ask Chuck Vogelpohl or Brian Siders or Andy Bolton where the deadlift falls in their order of exercises. I'd bet my home it isn't last.

    Hmmm, good point. I definitely don't want to warm up or anything. I'll just go straight in and kill it with some heavy ass weight. What's M&F?

    And uhhh, what's it matter what the "Pros" do? I'm not AGG.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Chubbinmuffin View Post
    Hmmm, good point. I definitely don't want to warm up or anything. I'll just go straight in and kill it with some heavy ass weight. What's M&F?

    And uhhh, what's it matter what the "Pros" do? I'm not AGG.
    Pretty sure I didn't say not to "warm up." But you can warm up adequately enough with a few light sets of deadlifts before you go "kill it with some heavy ass weight." And I would be inclined to follow the advice and example set by guys who have pulled a truckload of weight from the floor. Call me crazy. M&F is Muscle & Fitness.

  25. Warming up with lighter dead lifts is warming up FOR heavy dead lifts. Doing sets of other exercises first is "pre-exhausting" yourself and setting you up for light weights in the DL. Pretty ass backwards if your goal is being able to lift more on the dead lift and greater strength overall.
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    do them in the beginning, but do them for only half the year

  27. Quote Originally Posted by vadox6466 View Post
    do them in the beginning, but do them for only half the year


    No.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by vadox6466 View Post
    do them in the beginning, but do them for only half the year
    Why stop there? Just train half the year and take the other half to lay around on the couch watching reruns of Law and Order with a bag of Lay's. You will get huge and ripped and be strong as an ox. No need to train year round, much less do those extremely hard exercises like deadlifts and squats. They're for losers.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Ironhyde View Post
    Pretty sure I didn't say not to "warm up." But you can warm up adequately enough with a few light sets of deadlifts before you go "kill it with some heavy ass weight." And I would be inclined to follow the advice and example set by guys who have pulled a truckload of weight from the floor. Call me crazy. M&F is Muscle & Fitness.
    Well, I'm not arguing with your view. Actually, I was wrong with my previous post. I've done deads in the beginning, middle, and end. It really depends on how I feel. Regardless, I'm always sore as hell the following day.

    I'm more of an MD guy myself, not so much MF =)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironhyde View Post
    Why stop there? Just train half the year and take the other half to lay around on the couch watching reruns of Law and Order with a bag of Lay's. You will get huge and ripped and be strong as an ox. No need to train year round, much less do those extremely hard exercises like deadlifts and squats. They're for losers.
    I meant alternate one month with deads and the next without, if you're worried about other exercises.

    EDIT: or two months on, one off. something that works to your liking.
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