not getting muscle sorness
- 09-02-2009, 06:33 PM
- 09-02-2009, 06:45 PM
09-02-2009, 10:28 PM
I don't believe there is a 1:1 ratio of DOMS and hypertrophy at all, I believe DOMS serves a purpose, but I don't know enough about the "function" of DOMS in order to say yay or nay. I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with the debate topic, just pointing out the less then black & white scope in which research puts out in regards to the issue of DOMS.
NSCA - CSCS
09-02-2009, 10:36 PM
I still think most doms is caused by lactic acid OR novel muscle trauma (ie higher weight than ever before or completely unique angle/movement). These can be of varying levels of usefulness but I know personally I have a very very very hard time getting any body part sore that I train regularly.
09-02-2009, 10:41 PM
09-02-2009, 10:43 PM
09-02-2009, 10:46 PM
09-03-2009, 04:25 PM
My two cents...simple solution: train harder
Increase your weight
Increase your reps
Decrease your rest
Hit more supersets at the end to burn out
Focus on one body part and blast the f*ck out of it
You can do one...two.. or all of the above
If you want drop the racket all and train to thorough muscular failure.
09-03-2009, 07:04 PM
09-03-2009, 07:55 PM
soreness is caused by the millions of micro tears caused by either sacroplasmic or myofibrillar hypertrophy
Sacroplasmic is caused by bodybuilding type routines
Myofibrillar is caused by powerlifting/ olympic lifting type routines
So my conclusion based on these facts is that your are not causing enough hypertrophy. Now i dont know how you lift, what your routine looks like, and so on but the fact you say you dont get sore is suggestive of either
A) you have amazing recuperative abilities that i envy
B) you arent causing enough hypertrophy to cause soreness
But if you are increasing in strength, stamina, and size and you never get sore then who am i to say train harder? You are probably far more experienced and seasoned then myself.
But in general, when i encounter an individual in my daily encounters who say they dont get sore, when i lift with them i see THEY dont push themselves. But i cant speak for anyone but them, one day of training at my pace and they magically feel sore.
09-03-2009, 08:15 PM
Ha if you were near me I would take that challenge. I definitely have that extra gear BEYOND the extra gear aka decide a weight is going up and even if it won't move it has to move (my favorite spotting tactic is to yell, "you better get it up or its going to break your nose cause I am NOT touching it!).
My size gains have hit a genetic max but this thread it pushing me to try to get sore. I did at least 16 sets for shoulders today and many were rest/pause, drops or supers including a couple pr's in push pressed. I highly doubt I'll be sore but we'll see. I never feel a workout after 1-2 days and could train shoulders and back 3-4 times a week if I didnt know any better.
09-03-2009, 08:29 PM
Haha, well i will also admit the guys who i made sore didnt half even half the physique you do...but i would def be down for a good lift session.
I mean you may just have really good genetics in the recovery area. That wil allow you to get hella freakin strong if you decided to take up powerlifting. Remember if the bar aint bending..then you aint lifting brotha!
09-03-2009, 09:58 PM
take 7-10 days off, regroup, then train like an animal.
Make sure you have alot of compound movements.....
I almost always have some soreness.........Doms usually sets in after squats......
My motto- If your not turning purple, sweating and/or gasping for air, then your not working..........
Deads and Squats I instantly begin sweating and gasping....Then I just shoot for purple........
All other workouts I just shoot for sweats and purple........
09-06-2009, 04:55 PM
okay so im going to right this off as i have good recovery because last night i went to complete failure i couldn't even lift a 5lb db last night and now today zero sorness
09-16-2009, 12:17 AM
09-16-2009, 12:21 AM
Could my tendency to get crippling pumps be triggering a muscle shut off that keeps me from training to actual failure and thus not getting sore? I forget the science behind this but in an article called "deep inlay training" I read about a negative feedback loop associated with pumps v. strength.
09-17-2009, 12:27 AM
The hydrogen ions are a direct result from a decrease in muscular pH due to an increase in LA. In a weight lifting setting (or any power exercise), the body never achieves aerobic metabolism, so saying that the body uses LA as an energy source is a slight misnomer.
There are other factors (e.g. electrolyte balance, hydration), but, for the most part, the pH rise (acids are righ in H+) is what causes muscular failure/burning.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
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