- 05-16-2009, 12:02 AM
So for you all out there who have done DC training and stuck with it for awhile how were your gains? Im looking for more of the size aspect. Im kinda iffy on trying it because of the heavy weight it wants you to use but im thinking of giving it a shot. Just want to see what other people got from it if you dont mind sharing your experiences.
- 05-16-2009, 12:03 AM
I know what I'm about to post isn't relevent to the subject.
But could someone post this routine? I've heard a lot about it yet never saw it's link or anything.
- 05-16-2009, 12:05 AM
05-16-2009, 12:07 AM
05-17-2009, 01:43 AM
05-17-2009, 01:52 AM
Everyone responds differently to routines. The only way to know if this is going to work for you by trying it and see.
05-17-2009, 08:12 AM
05-17-2009, 10:50 AM
You should not be DC training, this is obvious from your posts, if you are afraid on heavy weight find a easier program, DC is for those advanced enough to work with extremely high intensity and HEAVY HEAVY weight, find a lighter program like 5X5 and go with that for a good few months.
05-17-2009, 11:14 PM
05-18-2009, 12:43 AM
Agreed with above, I looked at the routine and didn't think highly of it anyway, personally.
Do a yahoo search on Starting Strength, push, pull, legs or Bill Starr 5 x 5.
05-18-2009, 10:45 AM
DC is BY FAR the best routine I've ever tried. Mentally, physically... just everything about it "works" for me. No other program has given me the gains in strength and size that DC has. Everyone is different though, so experiment and see what works for you. I do suggest you give DC a try though. Give it a good 3 months and see if you haven't made tons of progress.
05-18-2009, 11:28 AM
05-18-2009, 11:56 AM
05-18-2009, 12:07 PM
05-18-2009, 12:10 PM
05-18-2009, 12:13 PM
its just the fact that you state you are afriad of heavy weight bro when the whole metholody of DC is heavy heavy weight and continual progression
05-18-2009, 01:32 PM
05-18-2009, 01:49 PM
05-18-2009, 01:55 PM
Heavy weight is relative.. If the weight is HEAVY for you, then that is what you need to be using.
That said, there is ways to manipulate how heavy of weights(for you) you are using, through different rep ranges.
For instance DB incline bench presses. You could do 90 for 15rp, or possibly 75 for 30rp. You can be progressive on either.
05-18-2009, 01:58 PM
05-18-2009, 02:06 PM
05-18-2009, 02:07 PM
05-18-2009, 02:41 PM
Keep in mind allot of the articles, and other posts on DC are outdated, and has since evolved in some aspects.
If you want to stay current, just go to intense muscle, and start reading some of the stickies, and some of the "pound puppy" section, as there are tons of sample plans, laid out the RIGHT way.
05-18-2009, 02:42 PM
05-18-2009, 03:12 PM
For the ones that have done t and seen good gains how long has it taken before you actually start to notice gains in size and see results?
05-18-2009, 03:21 PM
05-18-2009, 04:51 PM
From my brief experience with DC training it is only to be used by people with nails running through there veins. You have to be ANGRY in the gym to make it through this routine, however, if used correctly it can make gains unmatched by other programs. I could definitely see why gymrat wouldn't like the program, he doesn't believe in lifting hard and eating big to bust through plateaus. The thing is, Dante would tell him NOT to do the program anyway as he's not advanced enough in bodybuilding to be able to handle the load. Usually Dante wants you in the 200+ range to even think about doing this because it does put a huge load on your CNS and your body. So in conclusion if you think you're ready for it then try it. See how you feel, see if you can beat the book. Chances are it'll grow on you.
05-18-2009, 06:09 PM
05-18-2009, 06:23 PM
Some have researched it enough, watched the DVD, and understand it in and out before doing it, and hit the ground running.
I would say(for me atleast) the first blast was sort of a getting your feet wet, where you make gains, but you are still feeling things out.. After that you should be moving along pretty well.
05-18-2009, 08:08 PM
I ll tell you one thing I started DC today and when people say its intense that doesnt even do it justice.. I gotta admit I absolutely loved it. There is definitely a feeling it out stage as others have mentioned, I imagine especially in the first few weeks. There were a few exercises today where I shouldve used more weight, but doing it is the only way to find out.
05-18-2009, 08:16 PM
I hit up the gym tonight and started day 1 and I loved it. Just gonna get through the first week to feel out the weights and make sure I have technique, form, and the whole jist down but gonna bust ass on it to see what kinda gains I can pull off. Thanks for the help from the ones that shared.
05-18-2009, 10:29 PM
You're a very angry person, I'm entitled to my opinion and from the looks of the routine it was terrible. Every muscle group in the body should not be isolated, everyone needs different movements depended upon genetics, frame, lagging parts, how they respond to certain variations, etc.
Therefore a routine with where the same movements apply to everyone (unless they're a beginner using compound movements) doesn't make sense to me at all.
05-19-2009, 01:28 AM
05-19-2009, 01:35 AM
05-19-2009, 01:50 AM
05-19-2009, 01:53 AM
GymRat.. I honestly don't see you winning a argument with this. When you are not even CAPABLE of doing a workout program, it is not your area to diss it. Go over to the DC forum and tell them you deadlift 300 and that you are wanting to start up and they will all take turns laughing. If you want to think 5x5 is the king then so be it, it's obviously working wonders on you. But dont come to a DC thread and say it's not up to par.
05-19-2009, 02:01 AM
I don't try bench pressing 5 times per week but I know it's not suitable, when I see a routine that I don't like I elaborate my suggestions and it's not breaking any rules. I don't personally attack people, I said that I didn't condone the routine and it offended a third party. I think Starting Strength is a more appropriate suggestion, go over to crossfit and tell Mark Rippetoe dogcrap training is more appropriate than his routines.
That routine wouldn't seem bad for a bodybuilder, somehow on a high level of training with phenomenal strength, but to find a beginner and throw that routine at him I would definitely disagree. Elaborate on how I'm wrong if you'd like. I don't mind debating my theories.
05-19-2009, 02:20 AM
First off all before you get pissed off Ho0ther I have fully read the link to the routine.
I think the name fits it well it is dogcrapp this is coming from my standpoint. I would never advise a newcomer to lifting to do 3-4 exercises per body part 15-20 something ****in reps a exercises now if you are some dude jacked up on roids and enjoy doing **** like this then go for it then again this is ANABOLICminds I am not gonna get into the whole debate as to why less is more and why compound movements are far more effective than isolations and 3-4 exercises per body part that debate has been seen many times.
Now lets me address the problems
Chest You have incline and decline why? Why not just use one or another lets keep in mind just because you change the angle of the bench you are not working a different area of the bench you area just changing the area from which force is pressed down on to you and where you push it because the chest muscle is one WHOLE muscle it acts like rubberband like SOME noobs think they lets do decline because it builds our lower pecs then incline for upper **** that the chest is one whole mother****in muscle
Secondly why deem exercises as back thickness and width exercises when grow in width and thickness is dictated by hypertrophy is an effect of a calorie sufficient diet to reap benefits of weightlifting
Quads I seen no problem doing a heavy set of squats and then doing a speed set afterwards I am a powerlifter and its what I currently do on my very basic yet effective 5/3/1 routine but doing a ****ing widowmaker after each quad exercise is ****in retard is this workout meant to be done once a week? It should be yeah you wanna lift ****in hard and balls to the wall but you want to leave the window for recovery optimal
Hamstrings need I get into a debate how squats when properly performed in my eye below parallel add good stimulation to hamstrings and then if you feel like hammys are lacking do leg curls or lunges but doing seated leg curls, regular leg curls then stiff leg deadlifts this remind of when I walked around all day in speed training shoes (shoes with the raised toe) STUPID
Biceps second I have no problem with doing bicep curls I like to throw in the odd bicep curls here and there however I feel a single bicep exercises does ME just but this is just PERSONAL opinion
I really dont need to explain the rest you get my point that is routine is doggcrapp
05-19-2009, 02:25 AM
Sk8erboy your signature has 450 lb deadlift and a 435 lb squat, you addressed that you were a powerlifter so I'm assuming the form was legit. I guess you're strong enough to critique this program, I'm not obviously my deadlift isn't good enough for me to critique someone's training although I've gained nearly 300 reputation points for the valid points and civilized approach I take to these debates.
05-19-2009, 02:27 AM
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