The boot camp question.
- 02-08-2009, 02:50 PM
The boot camp question.
I was thinking about today, as I've been getting ready for OCS: How do soldiers/marines/sailors build strength and muscle in boot camp when their diet is mostly carbs and they don't get any time off?
They do the same movements everyday for months. How does the body get beyond what we here would endear as massive overtraining?
- 02-08-2009, 03:04 PM
- 02-08-2009, 03:21 PM
02-08-2009, 03:25 PM
unless its muscle you've never used. my basic training was a lot of running, push ups, rifle PT, etc. i didn't really bulk up in basic though - 2.5k calories doesn't do much for me.
i don't think anyone gets bigger in basic except for the marines - and that's because they are allowed to hit the gym in basic
EDIT : now that we're a kinder, gentler army, maybe the rules have changed since i was in.
02-08-2009, 03:47 PM
I was a marine (enlisted) and I sure never saw the inside of a gym in boot camp. I also did not gain any muscle, too much cardio and exercises with too little fuel.
When are you going to OCS Rugger, I'm keeping it open as an option when I graduate in December.
02-08-2009, 04:05 PM
02-08-2009, 05:01 PM
02-08-2009, 05:20 PM
OCS is much more of a mental preparation for combat than physical. They tear you down and try to defeat you to quit. It has around a 10% drop out rate over the course at least around here, due to some guys getting singled out as weak and picking on them more. Some can take it, some can't.
02-08-2009, 09:22 PM
02-08-2009, 09:35 PM
02-09-2009, 01:23 AM
I was in the Army for 3 years, and I have lived around the military my entire life because my father is still in sense 1982. But I dont know of any branch that allows soldiers to lift weights while in BCT. Its more about endurance, and getting you prepared in every aspect of the basic military requirements and knowledge you need to know to be a suitable soldier. Most of the time its high reps of cardio, and breaking you completely down to build you back into what they want. Now OCS is pretty much BCT all over again, but with alot more plus. But I doubt you'll have the oppurtunity to lift in a gym. The Air Force I do know allow to ride bikes, and I think they may work out in gyms sometimes
02-09-2009, 09:39 AM
02-09-2009, 10:43 AM
Last edited by kjkriston; 02-09-2009 at 01:30 PM.
02-09-2009, 10:50 AM
Unless things changed in the past several yrs the airforce does not allow you to ride bikes lol. When i went to boot camp in 2002 we did a lot of cardio and calisthenics no weight lifting. I actually gained muscle but i was very skinny when i joined. Basically if your into working out/bodybuilding you will most likely loose muscle while your in basic training.
02-10-2009, 07:15 AM
What the others have said about Marine Corps recruit training is true. I went in at just under 200 lbs with a decent muscle base and came out scrawny as fxck. Its all about endurance at boot and while getting 3 solid meals a day was great, the calories burnt for the day was just way too much I have a feeling. Even the guide of my platoon was a competitive bodybuilder when he got there in great shape and you could tell you softened up back by the end
Even after boot when we went to school of infantry, well some of us went to SOI, alot of others go to MCT (Marine Combat training) which is where everyone except infantry go. Anyways when I was in SOI we never touched a gym either... probably because after being sheltered from the world 13 weeks we just wanted to get drunk every weekend in san diego hahaha. However once i got to my unit it was highly encourage and you will definitely see some big ass Marines
02-10-2009, 08:59 AM
02-10-2009, 11:40 AM
02-10-2009, 05:01 PM
Yea the food they give you in BCT isnt bad, and its a sufficient amount to survive off of. But all the training causes it to burn off. Most likely BCT will just tone you out if your not fat, and if you are; most likely you'll be the one to see the most results. Plus if you end up at Ft. Benning like me, where it is hot as hell, that always plays a factor in losing weight. You pretty much sweat it off at times. The Air Force does allow alot of different training then all the other branches. Honestly alot easier. I know this because my sister is in the Air Force, and my grandfather was aswell.
02-10-2009, 05:04 PM
02-10-2009, 06:25 PM
I beleive the simple answer is, you don't - you'll be running, running, doing some push-ups, and sit-ups, and running some more. You will for sure loose muscle, just think of it as a great way to cut!
Out of curiosity what specifically will you be joining?
02-10-2009, 06:37 PM
02-10-2009, 06:49 PM
I'm in the Air Force and while I wouldn't never be so ignorant as to consider our Basic as hard as Marine Boot or Marine OCS, the principles are the same. Like others have mentioned, expect military style exercises for endurance purposes. Pushups, Situps/Crunches, Pullups, Running, Running and more Running etc.
I lost 30lbs in AF basic, and that's when AF basic was still only 6.5 weeks long.
No the AF does not ride bikes for PT. You can take a cycle ergonometry test which uses your heartrate/VO2/workload to determine your potential cardiovascular fitness level if, and only if you are on some sort of medical profile. For example, you have knee problems to the extent you cannot run or walk the 1.5 anymore.
That said, our physical standards are not as easy as you might think for Basic. To get the fitness award (Warhawk) in basic, you must:
Run 1.5 in 8:08
Basic minimum standard is 11:57, 45, and 50
Again, we are not to be confused with Marines by any measure, but we are certainly PT'd more than your common person thinks.
02-11-2009, 01:47 AM
I went through Navy boot camp in 2000 and was stationed at MCRD West (Marine boot camp) in 2008.
Fact is, if you are a solid guy who lifts and eats appropriately you will loose some muscle mass and if you are a scrawny underweight dude, then you will gain weight. Navy boot camp wasn't as physical as Marine boot camp is, but OCS will be. It will consist of tons of running, calisthenics, some circuit training etc. At Marine boot camp the guys who are under weight standards are given double rations, fat body's given half rations etc. It's funny, by the end of a platoon's training you see a sort of homeostasis as far a people's weight goes. I can't claim to know if in OCS you are allowed to go to the gym, but in Navy and Marine Corps boot camp you can not. As far as over training goes, there are some overuse injuries particularly for those whom are not accustomed to that level of exercise, but I wouldn't say anyone experience over training. Particularly since the training is orientated to stamina, endurance, and core strength as apposed to bodybuilding.
- I'll post later the amount of calories on average expended during boot camp, OCS, BUD/s (Seal training) and a few others. I have them at work.
- Best of luck man, Go Navy!
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02-11-2009, 01:51 AM
The only time one could get to the gym in Navy OCS is on weekend libo after about 8 weeks(depending). If I had libo opportunity after 8 weeks of hell I would spend it beating off, sleeping and eating junk food, not in the gym LOL
02-11-2009, 02:01 AM
11-30-2012, 09:29 PM
Can u use supps In basic? For any branch of the military? Jw if I would need to break caffeine addiction and get in "unassisted" shape...
Thinking about signing up once I finish my degree since I reall want to be a cop and have had no luck for 3 years now...
11-30-2012, 10:04 PM
11-30-2012, 10:10 PM
11-30-2012, 10:13 PM
I doubt that'll fly. You'll have to talk to a recruiter about that, you could probably check with the branches website, they should have some kind of Q&A program.Originally Posted by chedapalooza
11-30-2012, 10:45 PM
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