Fear of overtraining, even more fear of under training!

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  1. Fear of overtraining, even more fear of under training!


    huge dillema, i dont know how much training is enough training!, some people say leave when u feel a pump, some ppl say stay till ur beat!. my triceps never grow and i think it might be because im over training? but i dont want to lower my volume because im afraid i wont be hitting them enough!, what do you feel is enough?


  2. when im all cashed out is when i leave.
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  3. you should be able to tell when ur overtraining.. u litteraly feel dead in the gym.. ur weaker.. cant complete all prescribed reps.. and just feel like crap... u have to listen to your own body... i will frequently work out for six seven days straight and then lay off for 3 or 4 days... after training for 4-5 weeks,, its a good idea to take some time off .. you will come back stronger.. how long u lay off for is dependent on multiple factors.. that u need to figure out through time

  4. remember when you rest you grow!

  5. Eat more and worry less about overtraining.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys

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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Eat more and worry less about overtraining.
    agreed. make sure your getting your daily needs. glutamine and EFA's!

  7. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    agreed. make sure your getting your daily needs. glutamine and EFA's!
    To hell with glutamine, eat a damn steak.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  8. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    To hell with glutamine, eat a damn steak.
    or you can overlook the importance of gultamine.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    or you can overlook the importance of gultamine.
    Overlook the significance of a non-essential amino acid that has been proven to do jack sh!t? Yeah, I tend to do that.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  10. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Overlook the significance of a non-essential amino acid that has been proven to do jack sh!t? Yeah, I tend to do that.

    what research do you have that shows that it does nothing?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    what research do you have that shows that it does nothing?
    Every study done on it...ever. Only in extreme cases (e.g. burn victims, AIDS patients) does it have any effects and the doses administered are not oral, they are IV. Supplementing with BCAA/EAA is much, much more important or, if you're a cheap bastard like me, just plain Leucine will help.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  12. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Every study done on it...ever. Only in extreme cases (e.g. burn victims, AIDS patients) does it have any effects and the doses administered are not oral, they are IV. Supplementing with BCAA/EAA is much, much more important or, if you're a cheap bastard like me, just plain Leucine will help.
    oh i am cheap. i have just heard otherwise about glutamine.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    oh i am cheap. i have just heard otherwise about glutamine.
    Damn Weider's...
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  14. not sure what that means

  15. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    not sure what that means
    Ben and Joe Weider are the founders of the IFBB and publishers of Flex, Muscle and Fitness, etc. Glutamine is heavily pushed in these publications for no reason.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  16. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Ben and Joe Weider are the founders of the IFBB and publishers of Flex, Muscle and Fitness, etc. Glutamine is heavily pushed in these publications for no reason.
    oh ok yea i know who that is.

  17. There are a lot of published studies indicating that 1 set per an exercise twice a week is sufficient for maximum hypertrophy. Undertraining isn't performing insufficient sets but pushing insufficient weight.

    Carpinelli and Otto (1998) concluded during a period of 25 weeks there was no difference in terms of strength or hypertrophy between single and multiple sets.

    The above study was published in Sports Medicine and there are others reaching similar conclusions, suggesting that a single set of 8-12 reps is enough to elicit maximum hypertrophy. This doesn't mean you shouldn't perform multiple sets, just there isn't any evidence suggesting it's superior to a single set at maximum weight.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    remember when you rest you grow!
    Haha that what i try to tell myself over and over again!

  19. in regards to the glutamine debate, taken as a supplement it has very little if no bioavailability to the human body.

    in regards to overtraining... it is rather difficult to become overtrained if you are eating correctly and getting the appropriate rest. and when so you do become overtrained, consdering everything else besides your lifting regiment is in place, it is time for you to incorporate perodization into your routine.

  20. Eat more, and overtraining won't be a problem. Undertraining and poor nutrition could be. Or just you need much more protein. Either one

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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Space View Post
    There are a lot of published studies indicating that 1 set per an exercise twice a week is sufficient for maximum hypertrophy. Undertraining isn't performing insufficient sets but pushing insufficient weight.

    Carpinelli and Otto (1998) concluded during a period of 25 weeks there was no difference in terms of strength or hypertrophy between single and multiple sets.

    The above study was published in Sports Medicine and there are others reaching similar conclusions, suggesting that a single set of 8-12 reps is enough to elicit maximum hypertrophy. This doesn't mean you shouldn't perform multiple sets, just there isn't any evidence suggesting it's superior to a single set at maximum weight.

    I think most people don't lift heavy enough on the 1 set though. i remember reading where Dorian Yates once said if you can go another set then your really not giving 100% on the previous set or something of that nature

  22. Quote Originally Posted by AndreAnabolic View Post
    huge dillema, i dont know how much training is enough training!, some people say leave when u feel a pump, some ppl say stay till ur beat!. my triceps never grow and i think it might be because im over training? but i dont want to lower my volume because im afraid i wont be hitting them enough!, what do you feel is enough?
    remember that your triceps work when doing any compund pressing movement for the chest and shoulders, they really don't need a lot of attention im my humble opinion, close grip presses and some extensions work just fine but...

    i don't know what your workout looks like, how long you have been training or how your rep range is for that matter, you really haven't given us much info to work with so who's to say?

    if you are over trained then you feel tired and weak not just in the gym but just day to day life, your workouts stagnate and you end up going backwards, if this is the case, take at least 2 weeks off and give your body a rest

    under training is leaving the gym and not feeling like you have even worked out

    good luck

  23. Quote Originally Posted by mixedup View Post
    I think most people don't lift heavy enough on the 1 set though. i remember reading where Dorian Yates once said if you can go another set then your really not giving 100% on the previous set or something of that nature
    That style of training is for experienced lifters who have done enough time in the gym for their bodies to handle that kind of stress.

    A novice should never workout like that until they know the basics of lifting weights which does take time.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Overlook the significance of a non-essential amino acid that has been proven to do jack sh!t? Yeah, I tend to do that.
    Dis man speakuth the TRUTH!!!!

  25. [QUOTE=b unit;1765794]That style of training is for experienced lifters who have done enough time in the gym for their bodies to handle that kind of stress.

    Plus it takes time to improve the excellent mind-muscle connection that is so necessary if this one-set per excercise training is to be effective.
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