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    Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    Some people drink hard liquor in the winter to keep them warm, others take a couple scoops of Poseidon and let the "flush" do it's thing
    lol I hadn't thought about that. Not a bad idea. I think we must keep bulk BA and niacin in our emergency preparedness kits, then

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    Nice man! I've always wondered how to calculate those numbers...
    I'd actually created a thread on here several months back asking about this, before I knew.

    For some odd reason, I was naive and thought they were free of calories (which obviously makes no sense). When you start mega-dosing stuff and you're cutting, it certainly makes a difference. Obviously if it's kept constant, then it's not a big deal, but when it comes to the point of removing some extra mega-dosed amino acids or some whole food, I'll be getting rid of the aminos, first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    lol I hadn't thought about that. Not a bad idea. I think we must keep bulk BA and niacin in our emergency preparedness kits, then



    I'd actually created a thread on here several months back asking about this, before I knew.

    For some odd reason, I was naive and thought they were free of calories (which obviously makes no sense). When you start mega-dosing stuff and you're cutting, it certainly makes a difference. Obviously if it's kept constant, then it's not a big deal, but when it comes to the point of removing some extra mega-dosed amino acids or some whole food, I'll be getting rid of the aminos, first.
    I think it's a Catch 22. I know there is an obvious value to whole food.....but i've also seen where guys have leaned up big time utilizing BCAAs while in a caloric deficit. And lets not forget I am on cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    I think it's a Catch 22. I know there is an obvious value to whole food.....but i've also seen where guys have leaned up big time utilizing BCAAs while in a caloric deficit. And lets not forget I am on cycle
    Oh no doubt, man. I'm referring more to the very late stages of a properly set up diet/cut. I know some people are down to 1900 cal/day and nonsense like that (or lower) and they're not tiny guys. I'm just saying at low levels of caloric intake like that, I'd certainly prefer (and mentally need) those sources coming from true food. BCAAs are certainly nice, but that would be where I'd be cutting down on the huge dose of beta alanine, glutamine, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lukehayd View Post
    I have a difficult time doing cardio even with some good tunes! I need to start hitting the heavy bag for some good cardio instead.
    Yeah I actually used to train jiu-jitsu and tae kwon do so I will do this like once a week....usually on sat. Lots of kicks and punching combos with some jump rope thrown in between to keep it interesting
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    Guys I might cheat tonight I usually try to save it for the weekends but it's free pancakes at IHOP.......decisions decisions lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Guys I might cheat tonight I usually try to save it for the weekends but it's free pancakes at IHOP.......decisions decisions lol
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    And I like real maple syrup and butter not that fake sugar sryup $hit.
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    Since you are in a calorie deficit bcaas is very important on keeping your muscles while cutting up. I have mega doses bcaas while cutting calories. The calories in bcaas will be soaked up like a sponge because of the low calories You are consuming. Jus my 2 cents
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    Alright so I stuck to my guns and didn't go to IHOP

    Here's how tonight's workout went...endurance is still very apparent

    DB Shrugs - 100x10, 105x10, 110x10, 115x10, 120x8, 130x8
    Seated Leg Curls - 110x10, 115x10, 120x10, 125x8, 130x8, x8
    Stiff Legged DLs - 185x10, 225x10, 225x8, 225x8 (my quads hurt sooo bad from yesterday)
    HS Should Press - 2p x10, 2p25 x8, x8, 3p x4 drop to 2p x8
    Lying Leg Curls - 100 x10 4-5 sets don't remember
    Some quick weighted ab exercises

    5 min on the jacob's ladder.....10 min incline treadmill walking.....10 min HIIT on treadmill

    also had some jump rope thrown in here and there....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Alright so I stuck to my guns and didn't go to IHOP

    Here's how tonight's workout went...endurance is still very apparent

    DB Shrugs - 100x10, 105x10, 110x10, 115x10, 120x8, 130x8
    Seated Leg Curls - 110x10, 115x10, 120x10, 125x8, 130x8, x8
    Stiff Legged DLs - 185x10, 225x10, 225x8, 225x8 (my quads hurt sooo bad from yesterday)
    HS Should Press - 2p x10, 2p25 x8, x8, 3p x4 drop to 2p x8
    Lying Leg Curls - 100 x10 4-5 sets don't remember
    Some quick weighted ab exercises

    5 min on the jacob's ladder.....10 min incline treadmill walking.....10 min HIIT on treadmill

    also had some jump rope thrown in here and there....
    Man you had some endurance today! That's a lot of substance in that workout
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post
    Man you had some endurance today! That's a lot of substance in that workout
    Thanks man. Tonight will probably be just a cardio night. 30-45min incline treadmill
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    Nice numbers dude!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    Oh no doubt, man. I'm referring more to the very late stages of a properly set up diet/cut. I know some people are down to 1900 cal/day and nonsense like that (or lower) and they're not tiny guys. I'm just saying at low levels of caloric intake like that, I'd certainly prefer (and mentally need) those sources coming from true food. BCAAs are certainly nice, but that would be where I'd be cutting down on the huge dose of beta alanine, glutamine, etc.
    Yeah man I hear you there. I've got some more dietary changes coming. I'm thinking about moving my oats to PWO and leaving those out on the days I don't need them (like shoulders and chest day or something). Maybe to just get more of a carb rotation. 25g on off days, 50g on my smaller muscle groups and stronger muscle groups, 75g on legs and back day.

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    Nice numbers dude!
    Quote Originally Posted by monstermash View Post
    Late but in.
    Thanks guys! I'm only at the beginning of week two so i'm sure those numbers will improve.
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    Just starting week 2 of mine as well. Seeing the numbers move is definitely motivating me even more.
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    Woke up at 197 today. Kinda surprised. Did about 30 min of cardio last night. Dinner was 8oz gound beef and 1 cup rice. Had two tablespoons of natty pb right before bed. I was at 200 yesterday morning. Guess the carbs stoked the fire a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Woke up at 197 today. Kinda surprised. Did about 30 min of cardio last night. Dinner was 8oz gound beef and 1 cup rice. Had two tablespoons of natty pb right before bed. I was at 200 yesterday morning. Guess the carbs stoked the fire a bit.
    Curious... whats your macro break down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by monstermash View Post
    Curious... whats your macro break down?
    Honestly I don't count. Here is a rough estimate...

    Meal 1: 6g f, 10g C, 50g P
    Meal 2: 6g f, ?? C (asparagus), 50g P
    Meal 3: 3g f, ?? C (broccoli), 25g P
    Meal 4: 3g f, 27 C, 52p
    Meal 5: 6g f, 52 C, 52p
    Meal 6: 7g f, 0 C, 25p
    Meal 7: 16g f, 7g C, 6g P

    This is a typical workout day
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    Absolutely crushed last nights workout.....bear in mind i weighed in at 197 yesterday morning

    Started off with rack pulls to warm up....135x10, 185x10
    Went into Deads - 225x10, 275x8, 315x7, 365x4, 385x3, 405x2 (2x bodyweight yeah buddy)

    Seated Row - L10x10, L11x10, L12x9, L13x8, L14x8, L15x6

    BB Curl - 65x10, 80x10, 95x8, 70x8

    Tbar row - 3pps x10, x10, 3pps + 25 x8, x8

    EZ Bar Curls - 60, 70, 80 (each set to fail...nice slow controlled negatives)

    20 mins steady state.....10min hiit (1:00 on 1:00 off, 7mph 7.5mph 8mph 9 mph 9.5mph respectively)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Absolutely crushed last nights workout.....bear in mind i weighed in at 197 yesterday morning

    Started off with rack pulls to warm up....135x10, 185x10
    Went into Deads - 225x10, 275x8, 315x7, 365x4, 385x3, 405x2 (2x bodyweight yeah buddy)

    Seated Row - L10x10, L11x10, L12x9, L13x8, L14x8, L15x6

    BB Curl - 65x10, 80x10, 95x8, 70x8

    Tbar row - 3pps x10, x10, 3pps + 25 x8, x8

    EZ Bar Curls - 60, 70, 80 (each set to fail...nice slow controlled negatives)

    20 mins steady state.....10min hiit (1:00 on 1:00 off, 7mph 7.5mph 8mph 9 mph 9.5mph respectively)
    Nice work on the deads!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoneDaddy View Post
    Nice work on the deads!!!
    second that! That's a great pull!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoneDaddy View Post
    Nice work on the deads!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by monstermash View Post
    second that! That's a great pull!
    Thanks guys! Probably could have gone for one more set at like 415-420 but i'll wait for next week
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    Mean deads bro! Nice work!
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    nice pulls. You wear a belt? or use straps???

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Mean deads bro! Nice work!
    Quote Originally Posted by JoHNnyNuTZ View Post
    nice pulls. You wear a belt? or use straps???
    Thanks guys. This was done with no straps, no chalk, no belt. RAW. I thought about using them mid lift but i figured I was doing just fine without em so what the hell.

    Tonight was supposed to be an off night from the gym but I went anyways. Fock it. Just did Arms and Abs. I just did a bunch of supersets for arms, didn't really pay attention to numbers or weights. just got in, got a pump, and got it. No cardio tonight. Chest/tri/calves and cardio tomorrow!
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    Nice man. i just did 405 for 10..was too winded to do more(and Im a bit heavier than you). But that was with a belt. the last thing I want to do is blow my back out again..lol

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    Thanks guys....crushed chest yesterday

    Circuit:

    Decline Bench - 135x6, 185x6, 225x8, 250x8, 275x5, 250x5, 225x8
    Pull ups @ BW for 7 sets of 8-10
    Various calf exercises after pull ups
    Jump rope for 30-60 sec after pull ups

    Rope pull downs - L8x10, L9x8, L10x6, x6, x4

    Incline DB Bench - 65x10, 75x10, 85x10, 95x10

    Fly Machine - 135x8, 150x8, 165x8, x8

    Superset: BW dips and pushups to fail

    20min incline tread mill


    Did things a little differently this workout....focused more on negative portion of my lifts which was why my overall volume was down. Trying get get as much hypertrophy as possible out of this cycle (if at all). I was also super tired. Haven't been sleeping much as of late and was out till about 2am fri night and woke up at 930 to go to CostCo. Luckily I got hooked up with some ambien to help me pass out early

    Went off the diet yesterday. Had homemade chilli at my friends house (all organic), a protein bar during the Wizards game, and chipotle after the Wizards game. Made that more of a carb load....did not drink any water an hour before or an hour after that meal.

    Didn't weigh in this morning as I knew the numbers would be off anyways. Will weigh in tomorrow and report back. Upping the dose of each compound to 6ml tomorrow. Will continue the AM, Pre Workout, and before bed dosings. Might be throwing clenviscerate and fat burners back in for two weeks tomorrow as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Thanks guys....crushed chest yesterday

    Circuit:

    Decline Bench - 135x6, 185x6, 225x8, 250x8, 275x5, 250x5, 225x8
    Pull ups @ BW for 7 sets of 8-10
    Various calf exercises after pull ups
    Jump rope for 30-60 sec after pull ups

    Rope pull downs - L8x10, L9x8, L10x6, x6, x4

    Incline DB Bench - 65x10, 75x10, 85x10, 95x10

    Fly Machine - 135x8, 150x8, 165x8, x8

    Superset: BW dips and pushups to fail

    20min incline tread mill


    Did things a little differently this workout....focused more on negative portion of my lifts which was why my overall volume was down. Trying get get as much hypertrophy as possible out of this cycle (if at all). I was also super tired. Haven't been sleeping much as of late and was out till about 2am fri night and woke up at 930 to go to CostCo. Luckily I got hooked up with some ambien to help me pass out early

    Went off the diet yesterday. Had homemade chilli at my friends house (all organic), a protein bar during the Wizards game, and chipotle after the Wizards game. Made that more of a carb load....did not drink any water an hour before or an hour after that meal.

    Didn't weigh in this morning as I knew the numbers would be off anyways. Will weigh in tomorrow and report back. Upping the dose of each compound to 6ml tomorrow. Will continue the AM, Pre Workout, and before bed dosings. Might be throwing clenviscerate and fat burners back in for two weeks tomorrow as well.
    Clenviscerate is solid, nice snacks there too! =)
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    Good numbers on those declines, I'd be Interested to see my decline numbers without any lifts before them. Might have to give it a try this week. Good update!
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    mmm...clenviscerate..May have to give this a try. Just gotta get some clen

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoHNnyNuTZ
    mmm...clenviscerate..May have to give this a try. Just gotta get some clen
    Clenviscerate is awesome stuff. I'm gonna run it again this summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BPjohn123 View Post
    Clenviscerate is solid, nice snacks there too! =)
    Thanks man

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post
    Good numbers on those declines, I'd be Interested to see my decline numbers without any lifts before them. Might have to give it a try this week. Good update!
    Yeah it was tough. I probably could have hit higher than 275 for some triples, doubles, and singles....but i wanted to pyramid back down

    Quote Originally Posted by JoHNnyNuTZ View Post
    mmm...clenviscerate..May have to give this a try. Just gotta get some clen
    Yeah man that stuff burns you don't know what you're in for!

    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced View Post
    Clenviscerate is awesome stuff. I'm gonna run it again this summer.
    Yeah idk about running it during the summer time that would suck with the heat lol


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    They'll probably throw it out... but I'd call the airline to see if it would be ok to pack it with your checked luggage and not carry-on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monstermash View Post
    They'll probably throw it out... but I'd call the airline to see if it would be ok to pack it with your checked luggage and not carry-on.
    Yeah like I said i'm not checking any luggage as i'm just going for a few days. I'll super dose on the 22nd in the AM (6ml of both) and then just won't be able to dose for two days. Not the end of the world. I get back into DC early on sunday so i'll be able to resume dosing then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf

    Yeah like I said i'm not checking any luggage as i'm just going for a few days. I'll super dose on the 22nd in the AM (6ml of both) and then just won't be able to dose for two days. Not the end of the world. I get back into DC early on sunday so i'll be able to resume dosing then.
    Any idea on the half life of the product?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post
    Any idea on the half life of the product?
    No idea....maybe one of the taurus guys can chime in
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Yeah like I said i'm not checking any luggage as i'm just going for a few days. I'll super dose on the 22nd in the AM (6ml of both) and then just won't be able to dose for two days. Not the end of the world. I get back into DC early on sunday so i'll be able to resume dosing then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns
    Put 12ml in a small shampoo bottle. Your good up to 4oz I believe.
    Yeah I suppose I could just mix them and say its a mouth wash. And good up to 3oz for carry on liquids.
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