pBOLD - why the testers are dry

[Taurus Nut.]

Ok, well I didn't want to reveal anything because I didn't want to let the cat out of the bag quite yet. The current pBOLD is actually 80% of the 1,4 and 20% of 1,4,6 (ATD) Which means it is likely to be drier because of the 1,4,6. This batch was 80/20 of 1,4 OHP and 1,4,6 OHP.

The final pBOLD will have the ATD compound listed on the label, but we may choose to just go with the 1,4 when the new purity comes out next month. I figured I would still run with it because it just means you get a little less estrogen conversion than the original 1,4.

Additionally we have stopped the conversion to prednesone with a 11-Hydroxylase inhibitor.

[mattrag]

Interesting. Built in aromatise blocker.

[JoHNnyNuTZ]

This is pretty awesome. Pumped!!!

[Taurus Nut.]

Yeah, that's why I thought it was a good thing and I decided to keep the material and just release two versions!

[JoHNnyNuTZ]

Good thing?? This is a great thing!!! Low estrogen conversion, solid muscle and strength. Hello..you had me at, well nevermind. Stuff like this makes me excited to be a rep!!

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Good to know, appreciate the follow up!

[prld2gr8ns]

Yeah, that's why I thought it was a good thing and I decided to keep the material and just release two versions!

So, wait... your going to be selling two different kinds of pbold? One with ATD and one without?

[enhanced]

Very interesting. I knew there was a reason why initially I ddn't want to stop running this.

[AaronJP1]

So, wait... your going to be selling two different kinds of pbold? One with ATD and one without?

Curious as well on this.

[LiveToLift]

Hmm...

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Ive heard some horror stories on 1,4,6...anybody care for some advanced discussion?

[Sourdough]

sweet!

Thanks again for letting this out for us and clearing up the concerns, just won some major points in my book!


I think for something like this adding the ATD is ideal and will keep the desired pathway of metabolization as the heavier weighted equilibrium/route...

The 11-Hydroxylase inhibitor is a great addition as well... probably even more so important then the pro-ATD.... what ingredient is doing this action and is it in a decent enough dose to adequately block this enzyme(silly questions, I know, but I have to ask).


This would def be the ONLY version of pBold that I would personally run.... 1,4 is something Id want to stay "dry" anyways... If I want wet Ill get something that converts to test/est directly.

[Sourdough]

Ive heard some horror stories on 1,4,6...anybody care for some advanced discussion?

In what ways do you mean???

To clear up the biggest misconception up front...

ATD is NOT an anti androgen in humans, that was only in the brains of rats, and the crushing effect it can have on some folks libido is directly correlated with the crushing effects its having on your estrogen levels(same thing happens on Letro although in a competitive manner, not suicidal and we know how effective letro is at bringing est levels down to nil levels)... a very low dose of ATD is all that is needed to have optimum results, I figure a Pro-ATD could manage this quite nicely.

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Mainly just the libido crushing effects. I however seem to have increased libido for some reason.

How long does an ATD product take to kick in? A a day? Week? 2 weeks? Was thinking maybe Enhance's case of nip irritation could be due to the ATD being at low/maintenance dose combined with possible past irritation.

[mattrag]

In what ways do you mean???

To clear up the biggest misconception up front...

ATD is NOT an anti androgen in humans, that was only in the brains of rats, and the crushing effect it can have on some folks libido is directly correlated with the crushing effects its having on your estrogen levels(same thing happens on Letro although in a competitive manner, not suicidal and we know how effective letro is at bringing est levels down to nil levels)... a very low dose of ATD is all that is needed to have optimum results, I figure a Pro-ATD could manage this quite nicely.

AH, so it is a pro-ATD, not the actual ATD itself? I hated ATD... Destroyed libido, and REALLY made me feel crappy. Tried it twice, once on week 3 of PCT (I thought I was going to die). Then stand alone which gave similar results. I just dont respond well to that compound i feel. But for those of you who rather run something dry, I guess this is a good thing

[Sourdough]

Well yes, according to what taurus is saying it would be pro-atd... I think reg atd is banned now?

I actually ran atd standalone after my first superdrol run and failed pct... Estrogen was high and I was getting gyno... Not only did out clear up the gyno in 4 weeks but most the time I actually had an elevated libido from it being brought down to normal/optimal levels....

Too high of estrogen will get you gyno and no libido... Too low of estrogen will get you a weakened immune system and no libido...

Its a tricky thing to balance. Especially with something so strong as atd and the fact it was certainly over dosed in the amounts it was commercially available.

FL3X, your prob lowering est to the just right ratio to match the androgens you have flowing right now to optimize your libido. I agree under a preexisting condition, such as the case for enhanced and myself, makes running any cycle tricky and estrogen control or a dht compound is almost absolutely necessary to make a cycle successful.

I really like the idea of this addition.

[Taurus Nut.]

Yes, it is "pro-ATD" I actually like the sound of that a lot! I am going to steal it.

The issue with ATD is that it was often dosed WAY too high in my estimation. Novedex XT for example had 25mg per capsules and people were taking 50-75mg per day. To me that seemed excessively high. A low dose is what we advocated and had the best luck with, so the pro-ATD should fit the bill nicely.

Yes, we will probably have two versions one with the pro-ATD and one without.

Both will have the 11-OH inhibitor which is called apocynin. That prevents the cortisol pathway for this compound!

[mattrag]

Yes, it is "pro-ATD" I actually like the sound of that a lot! I am going to steal it.

The issue with ATD is that it was often dosed WAY too high in my estimation. Novedex XT for example had 25mg per capsules and people were taking 50-75mg per day. To me that seemed excessively high. A low dose is what we advocated and had the best luck with, so the pro-ATD should fit the bill nicely.

Yes, we will probably have two versions one with the pro-ATD and one without.

Both will have the 11-OH inhibitor which is called apocynin. That prevents the cortisol pathway for this compound!

wow that sounds great. ATD killed me...maybe low dose will be okay.

Interested to see the log results.

[JoHNnyNuTZ]

Im surely hopping on the presale!!!

[BPjohn123]

Like where this is going, big sale on pbold coming up Friday too!