5aOHP Progestin Prohormone - The Reveal

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  1. Strange thing guys. Right now I am going threw a bad divorce and pretty much starting my life over at 38. I am been so freaking depressed it not even funny. But today I have taken 2ml at 4 different times today. I have not been in this good of mood in months. I asked Eric and he said Progestins are prove in to do that. Crazy hu? I will keep you guys up todate if this keeps up.


  2. yea, tren (pro dienolone) or trenbolone, or methoxygonadiene aren't progestins.
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  3. can you put up some info on the pathways and what converts this please. nomenclature?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    So this is a synthetic progestin. Why would it be any better than Tren?
    Not entirely. It's produced from 5a reduction of 17a-hydroxyprogesterone in vivo and in other animals. You could classify it as semi-synthetic.

    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    yea, tren (pro dienolone) or trenbolone, or methoxygonadiene aren't progestins.
    LOL. oh lawd let's not start that. while I agree with you, there is a somewhat big connection between 19-nors and progestins.


    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    can you put up some info on the pathways and what converts this please. nomenclature?
    they have a chart which shows it to convert to androstanedione via 17, 20 lyase (an enzyme which acts on the 17 and 20 carbons of progestins to reduce to a keto group).

    The taurus reps will comment im sure, just figured I could explain some things lol.
    Antaeus Rep

  5. hmm, interesting. so what doesn't convert and makes it to the blood will not be a good thing. better hope for good conversion.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    hmm, interesting. so what doesn't convert and makes it to the blood will not be a good thing. better hope for good conversion.
    my only concern is that, there may be some people with 17, 20 lyase deficiency out there. this would not be a good thing for those people for conversion purposes, but again not my place to comment.
    Antaeus Rep

  7. lol, yea, that would suck.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    can you put up some info on the pathways and what converts this please. nomenclature?
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Bry17 View Post
    my only concern is that, there may be some people with 17, 20 lyase deficiency out there. this would not be a good thing for those people for conversion purposes, but again not my place to comment.
    This must be the case for me. I was up to 175mg ed of MaxLMG with absolutely no results...positive or negative. Rather disappointing because I am not interested in the methylated variety of PHs and I thought the Progestins could be the answer. Oh well...
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  10. AZMIDLYF do you want to run a log for us and see how it works for you?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    This must be the case for me. I was up to 175mg ed of MaxLMG with absolutely no results...positive or negative. Rather disappointing because I am not interested in the methylated variety of PHs and I thought the Progestins could be the answer. Oh well...
    No worries bro, mlmg doesn't utilize 17, 20 lyase. No anabolic steroids currently on the market should use it. This will be the first one . I think you may just not respond well to mlmg.
    Antaeus Rep

  12. how does one get more of these liver enzymes to convert Prohormones into said target active steroids?

    Genetics? ; ;
    RecoverBro ELITE

  13. Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    This must be the case for me. I was up to 175mg ed of MaxLMG with absolutely no results...positive or negative. Rather disappointing because I am not interested in the methylated variety of PHs and I thought the Progestins could be the answer. Oh well...
    Quote Originally Posted by Taurus BigK View Post
    AZMIDLYF do you want to run a log for us and see how it works for you?
    You know you want to AZ!
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  14. I thought we were supposed to PM, but I'll throw my hat in here too

  15. hmmm, interesting. I look forward to seeing user reviews of this product.

    any word on dosing etc?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Bry17 View Post
    my only concern is that, there may be some people with 17, 20 lyase deficiency out there. this would not be a good thing for those people for conversion purposes, but again not my place to comment.
    ^^nvm about that actually. the likelihood of most of us lifters having this mutation/low level is quite slim lol. 17, 20 lyase is essential for production of all bodily androgens. I'm pretty sure we've all got it. Just don't let any hermaphrodites take 5a-OHP. :trollface:
    Antaeus Rep

  17. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh

    You know you want to AZ!
    AZ for the win!


  18. PM sent

    Age 43

    Have ran Halotest 25, last cycle was late November 2010.

    Currently running a Body Builder Modification of 5/3/1, lifting 4x/wk. Lately cardio has been mostly open road bike rides.

    Current diet cycles 2700-3200 cals depending on activity, 260+ protein, under 170 carbs. ( In the past I would run under 100 but am have loosened up the diet a bit for an Anabeta run.

    Have logged Wyked for you guys in the past, Josh, Big T, staked cop and other Taurus peeps can attest: I keep my word and deliver!

    Have stripped out from 322 to my current 260 over about 6 months (January to July) and have just recently eased up a bit, am currently more into a recomp phase and from the write up, this product will fit very nicely into those efforts.
    Recoverbro

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Bry17 View Post
    No worries bro, mlmg doesn't utilize 17, 20 lyase. No anabolic steroids currently on the market should use it. This will be the first one . I think you may just not respond well to mlmg.
    Well,for a second there I thought I had an explaination.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taurus BigK View Post
    AZMIDLYF do you want to run a log for us and see how it works for you?
    I appreciate the offer BigK but right now I have another month to go of a nice stack and need to finish it out. I will be following the logs...count on that!
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  20. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    hmmm, interesting. I look forward to seeing user reviews of this product.

    any word on dosing etc?
    Here are the logs from our beta testers

    PROGESTIN BETA TRIAL
    AE and TN team up with Progestin
    Enhanced Takes the Bull by the Horns w/ Progestin
    KLEEN - Takes the Bull by the horns! Taurus Nutrition's w/ WYKED & Beta TNP

    And here are some reviews from our testers

    AE14

    "FINAL REVIEW
    Ok everyone here is my final review:

    Taste N/A Did I truly like the taste? Not at all. However, it is not an issue at all as I believe that the thought is that this will be coming out in pill form which makes taste a non issue.

    Strength 4.5 out of 5 I am greatly impressed with this on this level. There seemed to be no issue from a suppressive standpoint, and yet my strength went up on a consistent basis. Very impressive

    Recomp 6 out of 5 This is where this shined for me. I weighed in at 200lbs even when I started this log a month ago. Yet I am now consistently at 195lbs, much leaner and yet far more powerful. In this category I could not have asked for more. Absolute love for TN here.

    Energy 5 out of 5. Another winner here. Even with my hectic work schedule, when it came time to lift, there was no hesitation what so ever. This is something that I did not expect. Oh and by the way....throw in your favorite pre w/o and watch out....Monster energy and focus

    Overall 5 out of 5 I am greatly impressed with this and would most certainly run it again. I am interested to see the price point on this when it hits the market.

    Major props to TN, as they really have a winner here."


    Enhanced


    "FINAL REVIEW

    First off, I'd like to thank Taurus Nutrition again, for giving me the opportunity to test their product. It's obvious they hit a home run w/ this one, but looking at the logs on this. This is definitely a product I will be buying! Looking forward to the other "progestin" you guys are working on as well!!

    This without a doubt, was the best ph/designer I've ever run. There was not one negative side effect that I experienced throughout the entire run!! That's unheard of! I will say I did fell ever so slightly shut down beginning about a week or so ago, but I started on the DA-HCG last week, & already feel like I'm getting back to normal.

    Weight
    5/11/11 - 162
    6/12/11 - 166

    I will admit, my diet didn't stay in check nearly as much as I'd intended.. My family came into town, & then it just seemed like there was something going on every other day! I blame no one but myself. I'm usually more disciplined. I think, that had my diet been more in check, the weight gain would have been closer to a much leaner 3lb gain max. I'll break this all down now:

    Strength - INCREDIBLE! This is where it shined most for me. All my lifts went up considerably. I could only compare this to a Tren clone I ran a few years ago. Every week I was going up in weight. The good thing though? No joint soreness or drying out that one would get w/ other designer/ph's.

    Energy - Great! It was like a switch that I could turn on & use it as needed. 99% of my workouts were in the morning, supplemented w/ Wyked, LG's Form, and of course, the Progestin. I always went into the gym w/ total focus and energy. I stayed wide open all day long! Not one bit of lethargy. When it was time to go to bed, I very easily fell asleep & stayed asleep until my alarm went off.

    Recomp - Great! I did notice the first couple weeks that I was leaning out. The vascularity was more evident after the 2nd week. If I would have stuck to a cleaner diet, I could give a better account on this.

    Pumps/Recovery - Excellent! I left the gym with an incredible pump & usually kept that pump until bed time! I would then wake up still feeling it! I felt "on" this whole cycle. My wife noticed it too. Recovery in the gym was great. I was flying through my workouts breaking just long enough to drink some water or gatoraid. DOMS seemed to be very minimal as well.

    Libido - I should have my wife write this part!!! This stuff was freaking amazing on my libido!! Felt like I was 18 again! Enough said..

    Like I said, TN hit a home run w/ this. Looking forward to putting another bottle in my kitchen cabinet & running it later on down the road!! "


    Celc5-


    "REVIEW

    Objective: The Numbers

    Body Comp: I gained 8 pounds of lean mass and lost 1 pound of fat based on weekly skinfolds. Progestin Beta was surprisingly more anabolic than I expected.

    Strength: I gained approximately 10 pounds per lift on upper body compound lifts such as BB Flat Bench Press and DB Rows. I gained approximately 20 pounds per lift on power moves such as squats, straight leg DL, and shrugs. Those are all in a 3 sets of 12 rep range to give perspective. I agree with Kleen's perspective that the compound didn't inherently make me stronger. Strength would creep up when lean mass would increase.

    Number of Visible Abs at Rest:
    Pre-Cycle: 0
    Post Cycle: 2 at rest, 4-6 post workout

    Subjetive: Personal Notes and Opinions

    Mood: There may have been a hint of alpha male for approximately 1-2 weeks. But mood leveled off after that. I'm inherently a cranky person, but Progrestin Beta didn't exacerbate my inner a-hole.

    Libido: For the first half of the cycle, libido was increased with slightly enhanced sexual performance. There were a few times where I did feel a bit more aggressive in the bedroom also. For the second half of the cycle, libido felt "flat." I personally noticed a drop off in my sexual performance. But it wasn't bad enough for the wife to make fun of me for it

    Gyno: I have a history of gyno with 2 small lumps that vary in size. They come and go depending on how careless I am with supplementation. I had ZERO gyno exacerbation with Progestin Beta. To be fair, I took 2 caps Formadrol per day throughout the cycle. I've never taken this particular Formadrol ingredient profile so I can't elaborate on other possible explanations. All I know is that I almost always expect gyno to get worse or flare up on cycle. And it did not with Progrestin Beta and the mild Formadrol plan.

    Discussion: Chit Chat, Mostly Nonsense

    My overall description of this compound is that it's subtle. The gains were slow, but very steady once I stepped back and looked at the big picture. There's nothing explosive about this compound in the gym or body comp wise. Referring to Kleen's report again, I don't believe that this compound compares to Epithio for me. I get a bit of androgenic effect with epithio. In which case, strength comes on faster and I notice a bit of an overall body "shape" change with a select few desingers. For example, I notice a bid difference in my V-taper with compounds such as epithio and phera. My shoulders, chest, and quads really blew up with those compounds. But this body change was more subtle and comparable to Progmagnon for me personally. At the same time, I accomplished in 4 weeks on Progestin Beta what took me 6 weeks on PMag.

    I had some recomp effect later in the cycle, but it required a careful watch with my diet. This is not a recomp agent like Hdrol or Superdrol that simply require a huge volume of calories. I leaned out a bit, but I wouldn't classify this as a cutter.

    I like the idea of stacking progestin beta. I think that the individual should tailor this to stack with something that is more explosive for their personal tastes. It would be interesting to bridge Progestin Beta into M14add during an all out bulk. I envision gaining 6-8 pounds on Progestin and then sending the cycle into overdrive with M14 to really blow up.

    It would also be interesting to see if Progestin beta could still be anabolic during a cutting cycle alongside Formestane and a fat burner. Kleen suggested stacking with something for androgenic, such as a dhea based designer. I think that's a good idea. My personal alternative idea is to use formestane instead, although it still follows Kleen's aggression/strength/libido enhancing logic to balance out the stack.

    Body Composition

    ..........Weight......BF%..... .Lean.......Fat.....
    Start.....185.6.....14.90..... 157.94....27.66..
    Wk 1.....188.0.....15.68.....158. 53....29.47..
    Wk 2.....191.0.....15.48.....161. 42....29.58..
    Wk 3.....193.4.....15.10.....164. 20....29.20..
    Wk 4.....193.4.....13.82.....166. 67....26.73"

    Mr.Kleen

    "Well first I want to thank Taurus Nutrition for allowing me to test this product. I will keep my assessment short and sweet. Well for me anyway.

    If you are familiar with my reviews I do not assign numbers to characteristics. The supplement market is far to volatile and dynamic for numbers to hold up. I will basically go through some of that characteristics and list my thoughts on them.

    Lean Body Mass - I have to admit that this really accelled here. Considering how the product felt, I would have never guessed I would gain 6.7 lbs of LBM in a month.

    Mood - I noticed some very minor Alpha Male and aggression at first but then I leveled off. About halfway through Alpha Male was gone completely for me.

    Strength - The strength on this was more in line with me getting stronger because my muscles were bigger, but not stronger just because of the androgen levels. I would say this is WAY more anabolic than it is Androgenic. Might even recommend running a DHEA product with it during longer runs to keep the alpha male feel and libido high.

    Fat Burning - I would say this is nuetral. In other words no increase that was not explained by diet. When I ate big I held water and looked bloated when I didn't I cleaned up easily.

    Libido - I had surges of libido enhancement but not any overall nonstop type libido. A little over halfway through I started to lose interest in sex. I could still be easily turned on if it came to it but wasn't sitting around horny like normal.

    HPTA - Did not get tested before or after only giving anectdotal feedback. I would say that this caused minimal shut down. As I mentioned with libido it was not as high as normal, alpha male was gone, and my testicles were noticeably a little bit smaller starting somewhere around the 2.5 to 3 week mark. I think for a 1 month cycle a good over the counter PCT would probably suffice. However going anything over that might find you requiring a SERM of some sort.

    Sides - Honestly there were not many other than the percieved slight shutdown and the known sides that go along with that. If blood pressure increased it was only slightly but never anything I noticed. Urine always had a slight yellow tint, not really any other sides to mention.

    Overall Experience and Opinion

    This was a great run. I started off not noticing to much going by feel and was a little worried that there may not be too much to this product. By the end of the second week I could see some definite improvement and was pleasantly surprised that I had already gained some LBM while losing fat. I enjoyed a few long weekends and higher calories after this point, my weight jumped up holding a lot of water and glycogen, but not adding any fat. I spent the last week cleaning that extra water and what not off to end up 203 coming up from 199, that is a total of 4 lbs on the scale but I also lost 2.8 lbs of fat. Leaving me with a total gain of 6.8 lbs LBM over the 4 weeks.

    If I were to compare this product for mass ability I would put it with Epi, however as far as sides go I would put this in a mild category. I would definitely recommend that you commence production of this product or move to the next stage of testing for sure.

    Stats:
    5/12/11 - 199 9.6% LBM 179.85, Fat 19.15
    5/28/11 - 200 8.4% LBM 183.28, Fat 16.72
    6/10/11 - 203 8% LBM 186.7, Fat 16.3"

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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Bry17 View Post
    ^^nvm about that actually. the likelihood of most of us lifters having this mutation/low level is quite slim lol. 17, 20 lyase is essential for production of all bodily androgens. I'm pretty sure we've all got it. Just don't let any hermaphrodites take 5a-OHP. :trollface:
    Thanks for clearing that up.. you had me cracking open textbooks over here ...lol
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  22. Awesome to see this officially released!
    This compound is the one that Eric had me really excited about.

    Look forward to seeing the next lot of logs and trying this myself.

  23. Awesome to see this officially released!
    This compound is the one that Eric had me really excited about.

    Look forward to seeing the next lot of logs and trying this myself.

  24. i would love to try this stuff..shut down is really my only fear and now that my girl is expecting, i just fear the shrinkage, lol..how would this stack with dermacrine? good idea? or maybe running your DAA during and after as well?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Craigmatthew View Post
    Awesome to see this officially released!
    This compound is the one that Eric had me really excited about.

    Look forward to seeing the next lot of logs and trying this myself.
    I see your bb.com thread was deleted oh well, keep it all on AM man!
    compound looks pretty sweet...
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