6-oxo vs. ATD

JJC · 07-17-2008, 12:00 PM

I'm trying to help a friend of mine set up his first NHA stack. Activate Xtreme is going to be part of it but I was also thinking about an anti-e as well for the end of the stack. Since the Rebound products are gone I was thinking 6-oxo or ATD. Which is the better choice/how do they differ? If anyone knows their MOA, that would be great too.

It would most likely look like this:
Weeks 1-2: AX
Weeks 3-4: AX + anti-e
Weeks 5-6: anti-e (tapered)

**Force of Green** · 07-17-2008, 12:25 PM

6-OXO is better if you plan on keeping your libido (and raising it) and if you plan on not killing your joints and lipid profile. ATD is good if you just want to dry out, say bye bye to sex drive, and pretty much beat your joints into the ground. No brainer.

JJC · 07-17-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Force of Green

6-OXO is better if you plan on keeping your libido (and raising it) and if you plan on not killing your joints and lipid profile. ATD is good if you just want to dry out, say bye bye to sex drive, and pretty much beat your joints into the ground. No brainer.

That's what I seem to recall as well. Thanks for the input.

Any anti-e's to top 6-oxo?

**Force of Green** · 07-17-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JJC

That's what I seem to recall as well. Thanks for the input.

Any anti-e's to top 6-oxo?

6-OXO is the best anti-estrogen in my opinion. You're welcome.

GotTest · 07-17-2008, 01:30 PM

What's typical solo dosing (outside of cycle and PCT)?
I know most dose around 300-600mg/day (taper style) during PCT.

**Force of Green** · 07-17-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GotTest

What's typical solo dosing (outside of cycle and PCT)?
I know most dose around 300-600mg/day (taper style) during PCT.

300 is okay.... 600 is great. Sweet spot indeed. Some have went higher I'm sure, but sides may prevail more, though libido will still not drop unless you dose at a bizarre level.

PCT = 600/600/600/400/300/off

Steveoph · 07-17-2008, 01:34 PM

I'm by no means an expert, but I recall reading on the forums how ATD in lower doses didn't dry out the joints or kill libido.

Can't find the thread where people discussed their results (was like 3 or 4 pages)

thebigt · 07-17-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Force of Green

6-OXO is the best anti-estrogen in my opinion. You're welcome.

as long as formestane is out of stock, i agree.

**Force of Green** · 07-17-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Steveoph

I'm by no means an expert, but I recall reading on the forums how ATD in lower doses didn't dry out the joints or kill libido.

Can't find the thread where people discussed their results (was like 3 or 4 pages)

Yeah... I mean... it takes tinkering and won't agree with a lot of users, though I'm not saying it's 'bad'. I think that if someone's running test-e/cyp and uses 25mg ATD at night it'd be good for keeping gains totally dry.

**Force of Green** · 07-17-2008, 01:44 PM

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as long as formestane is out of stock, i agree.

For SURE. I think formestane is DOPE for running off cycle as a stand alone, like for the summertime... keeps you dry, upregulates IGF-1 and other functions, raises libido a bit... but for PCT, no way. It'll keep you shutdown and have you think you've recovered, but it doesn't work. People have tried and it wasn't favorable.

thebigt · 07-17-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Force of Green

For SURE. I think formestane is DOPE for running off cycle as a stand alone, like for the summertime... keeps you dry, upregulates IGF-1 and other functions, raises libido a bit... but for PCT, no way. It'll keep you shutdown and have you think you've recovered, but it doesn't work. People have tried and it wasn't favorable.

dr.d agrees with you. his theory is form on cycle and hdx2 for pct, he says great synergy with form/hdx2 ran that way. but like you said formestane as standalone is golden. and since form is oos i agree with the 6oxo. you giving some good advice green man, keep it up.

**Force of Green** · 07-17-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by thebigt

dr.d agrees with you. his theory is form on cycle and hdx2 for pct, he says great synergy with form/hdx2 ran that way. but like you said formestane as standalone is golden. and since form is oos i agree with the 6oxo. you giving some good advice green man, keep it up.

Haha! Thanks BigT. It's a shame what happened with formestane.

thebigt · 07-17-2008, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Force of Green

Haha! Thanks BigT. It's a shame what happened with formestane.

yeah, i love that shiit.

JJC · 07-17-2008, 03:59 PM

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yeah, i love that shiit.

Form was going to be my first suggestion for him but since it's likely gone for good, we're doing the next bet.

I think I've got a few squirts left of my TD Form in the next few days. I will cherish them all...