[pantera101]

Originally Posted by JohnnieFreeze

Man, ever since you mentioned about Cissus and hair loss, my scalp has been itching like crazy! lol...however I did notice increased acne from it which is consistent with androgenic side effects..hmm....

Don't let the balding paranoia get you too!It already has half the members!The other half fit into gyno paranoia.You read it,then you notice it.I once had a person tell me she never buys aspirirn cause if you do,you'll get a headache!

[JohnnieFreeze]

Originally Posted by pantera101

Don't let the balding paranoia get you too!It already has half the members!The other half fit into gyno paranoia.You read it,then you notice it.I once had a person tell me she never buys aspirirn cause if you do,you'll get a headache!

Haha....so true bro.
The supplement game can be quite a fiasco...lots of products with no real funding to do complete studies so lots of effects we don't know without trial and error, then if even 1 person notices a side effect(good or bad) then the rest of us hop on to find out more.

[ReaperX]

Originally Posted by JohnnieFreeze

Haha....so true bro.
The supplement game can be quite a fiasco...lots of products with no real funding to do complete studies so lots of effects we don't know without trial and error, then if even 1 person notices a side effect(good or bad) then the rest of us hop on to find out more.

I agree. With something like bulk cissus and a relatively low cost, some experiments are worthwhile doing.


I don't mind dosing cissus high since it already helps my joints anyway. If it is anabolic, awesome, if not, it still helps with joint issues so it is a win-win situation.

[JohnnieFreeze]

Originally Posted by ReaperX

I agree. With something like bulk cissus and a relatively low cost, some experiments are worthwhile doing.


I don't mind dosing cissus high since it already helps my joints anyway. If it is anabolic, awesome, if not, it still helps with joint issues so it is a win-win situation.

Yep...if Cissus does all that then its a great all around supp...however if its a test booster than it has an effect on the hpta system, and the question needs to be asked "should it be cycled".

[FrankJ]

From what I understand, one of the components in Cissus is an estrogen mimicker. This allows it to strengthen bones, lubricate joints and heal tendons.

But could it cause gyno?

It may be possible, but from what I understand, it has a very weak affinity towards breast tissue, so its very unlikely unless you are very, very gyno prone, already have gyno, or are mega dosing it.

[FrankJ]

Originally Posted by JohnnieFreeze

These results show that serum testosterone levels were increased nearly 4 times over the levels at the beginning of the study. The largest increase in testosterone occurred in the first 30 days of this study."

so...take that for what its worth.

If it mimics estrogen, it may have SERM like properties also.

[ReaperX]

I think people take phytoestrogens way out of context. Like, 'OMG don't eat soy bro or else you are gonna get gyno !'

[ozarkaBRAND]

Ok thanks for the thread mister reaperx.

It's got me wanting to try new things, so...

I'll up my supercissusRx bulk dose to about 4 or so grams a day until it runs out, and then I'll start up on primaforce cissus and will dose that depending on how the higher dose bulk stuff went.. Boo yah, I shall update.

[ReaperX]

Actually people obsess about gyno way too much in general.

[ReaperX]

Originally Posted by ozarkaBRAND

Ok thanks for the thread mister reaperx.

It's got me wanting to try new things, so...

I'll up my supercissusRx bulk dose to about 4 or so grams a day until it runs out, and then I'll start up on primaforce cissus and will dose that depending on how the higher dose bulk stuff went.. Boo yah, I shall update.

I'm just going to buy bulk nutra 50% extract.

I wouldn't waste the 5%-10% on trying to get 'anabolic'. Just keep that for theraputic uses and go hard on a higher extract.

[ozarkaBRAND]

Originally Posted by ReaperX

I'm just going to buy bulk nutra 50% extract.

I wouldn't waste the 5%-10% on trying to get 'anabolic'. Just keep that for theraputic uses and go hard on a higher extract.

That would normally be my logic, but the bulk cissus I've got at the moment isn't really and hasn't really been providing much relief, so in this case I'll go ahead and dose it higher and see what happens.

[tuberman]

ReaperX,

If you buy the bulk 50% cissus, put it inside one of those large resealable bags. If you don't after a couple or three weeks humidity will clump the remainder of your powder up into a big ball of hard gunk.

[ReaperX]

Originally Posted by tuberman

ReaperX,

If you buy the bulk 50% cissus, put it inside one of those large resealable bags. If you don't after a couple or three weeks humidity will clump the remainder of your powder up into a big ball of hard gunk.

I had a problem with several bulk powders in the past that clumped. The best solution I found was to stick the whole tub in the fridge to keep the humidity down.

[Reaper329]

I tried Supercissus a ways back and liked it, but nothing too noticeable. I just bought the Primaforce one and started it today, so I am hopeful, as their dosing is basically 2 grams a day I believe

[alwaysgaining]

Originally Posted by FrankJ

I dont know what it does, but last year I stopped all supps for a while except cissus and creatine and made excellent gains.

I was using cissus pre-workout then. Does not seem to produce the same anabolic effects when used nighttime/morning.

so r u saying its better to dose at mornig and nigh or prework out only