resveratrol or TRANS-resveratrol
- 07-05-2008, 01:45 AM
- 07-05-2008, 08:29 AM
the trans-isomer is the extract that you are looking for. The higher the percentage the better. The bioavailbility of non-extracted japenese knotweed (resveratrol) is very very poor.
- 07-05-2008, 09:50 AM
Ok, so this isn't great?
Giant Nutrition .:. Cast a shadow across the face of sports nutrition
Stoked would be better, right? This is for my wife and possible cancer; would the icariin in Stoked be ok, or interfere in any way?
07-05-2008, 10:00 AM
I cannot speak on icariin because I don't have much knowledge on it. However, maybe someone else can chime in. As far as the resveratrol aspect, the stoked is a higher quality and better value if you break it down to price per mg of active. You may also want to look into the new IBE product coming out triacetyl resveratrol.
07-05-2008, 12:56 PM
You want trans, also I dont see what all the "whoo ha" is about, I dont see logs of people getting all this aggression and training intensity and on and on from resveratrol products.
07-05-2008, 01:16 PM
Bodybuilding is a large part being "in tune" with your body and leading a healthy lifestyle, and this may be one means to that end.
07-05-2008, 02:03 PM
07-05-2008, 05:01 PM
07-05-2008, 05:28 PM
So total resveratrol, instead of trans?
07-05-2008, 05:55 PM
07-05-2008, 08:56 PM
So is it not worth taking?
07-06-2008, 08:16 AM
I wonder if there would be benefit from a pain-free oral?
My The 1 LOG: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/254164-my-one-log.html
07-06-2008, 09:18 AM
07-06-2008, 10:26 AM
Also, how well would it work in a transdermal? Either for anti-aging or used for test therapy?
My The 1 LOG: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/254164-my-one-log.html
07-06-2008, 10:27 AM
Many people report great success with primordial performances line of transdermals that are resveratrol based.
07-06-2008, 01:59 PM
07-06-2008, 09:23 PM
07-06-2008, 09:24 PM
07-06-2008, 09:41 PM
No research has been done to the extent that would implicate complete confidence in TRUE anti-cancer properties of ANY of the aforementioned supplements in human use.
You may as well consider overall caloric/dietary restriction as anti-cancer it has been MUCH further studied in cancer rather than resveratrol.
Heck, even a good support network has been shown to help with cancer so you may even consider powering down the computer and simply giving her a hug rather than cellulose wrapped resveratrol.
07-06-2008, 10:40 PM
There's no such thing as 'complete confidence'. I certainly wouldn't use ANY 'researched' cancer treatment proposed by an MD with 'complete confidence': it may or may not stop the cancer, andit may or may not have long term health effects.No research has been done to the extent that would implicate complete confidence in TRUE anti-cancer properties of ANY of the aforementioned supplements in human use.
Who says I'm not? It was brought up in my original thread a month ago.You may as well consider overall caloric/dietary restriction as anti-cancer it has been MUCH further studied in cancer rather than resveratrol.
You're a ****. Get out of my thread.Heck, even a good support network has been shown to help with cancer so you may even consider powering down the computer and simply giving her a hug rather than cellulose wrapped resveratrol.
07-06-2008, 11:19 PM
07-06-2008, 11:31 PM
A simple example that you may or may not understand is the role of anti-estrogen therapy in estrogen receptor positive breast cancer. For a hematologist oncologist to say that he or she is not completely confident in treating a biospy proven ER+ Her2/Neu - PR+ breast cancer with an anti Estrogen is absurd.
Who cares about the long term health benefits of chemo if it eradicates the cancer - which is most likely to shorten the lifespan significantly. Ask John Lester if he though twice about the possible long term effects of his chemotherapy.
You're incorrect, I'm not a ****, rather an MD who has dedicated a larger portion of his life dedicated to researching and treating cancer.
The thread is not yours, rather it is a public forum and belongs to every member. For the most part, positive contributions are accepted widely on this forum.
07-07-2008, 12:21 AM
Im not asking for advice on treating cancer here. This is the wrong forum, clearly(despite your illustrious presence). This thread was not specifically about that, but about two different forms of resveratrol, and which is more beneficial.
If you have advice about natural cancer treatments, or other avenues to persue while the doctors do their thing, I'd love to hear it. But don't assume you know who I am, how we're approaching her growth, or anything else about me or what I do.
Oh, and lose the arrogance. It stinks, and won't make you a better doctor.
07-07-2008, 12:42 AM
A little story for you, Deerdeer.
My wife has the lump. Saw her doctor (a respected UCLA doctor). Had an MRI, just to see. After the MRI, they said results would take several days. She came home, and the same day, several hours later, her dr called and said to get into her office ASAP, she was bumping people to see her. Obviously, this was worrisome. We packed up the kids, and I dropped her off. She was there an hour; when she came out, she wouldn't look at me, asked to go to the pharmacy to fill a prescription.
We got home, and she told me: she walked into the office, the dr sat her down, and said 'Your cancer is back', and handed her a box of kleenex. Literally. Then proceeded to be so negative, IE 'I'd be very worried', etc, that my wife was upset, at which point she handed her a prescription for Xanax.
She referred her to a specialist. She had a full body MRI, then saw him. He said' I'll cut to the chase; your doctor, and the MRI tech are both known to over-read these things, I can name at least two dozen other people who've been through this. I don't think it IS cancer, but let's find out...'
What's this got to do with you, deerdeer? Nothing, of course, except that you seem to share the same ****ty attitude and superiority complex my wife's doctor has.
07-07-2008, 12:50 AM
07-07-2008, 05:51 AM
This has plenty to do with me - many MDs are unaware of many of these supplements and potential interations, let alone patients. There are several compounds that are mixed with a number of these supplements/extracts to alter the metabolism or enhance the absorption. This can cause serious interactions with chemotherapeutic agents. Heck, you still dont even know IF it is cancer! Have her stick to simple healthy dieting and living, suggesting supps can cause more unnecessary stress! There is no other REAl "natural" way to go about it if there is already potentially something there.
I do not share any of those attitudes but I have seen a number of people overlook the importance of adhering to a plan. All too often I see pateints shifting and altering their regimens by going with supplements that have the potential to negatively alter a therapeutic outcome because of something they read on the internet.
The appropriate way to inform your wife would have been to tell her that she had a suspicious lesion on her neck that needed to be worked up. There was no evidence she had cancer. There is no good way to deliver the news, but that is definitely an example of the way not to do it.
Best wishes for your wife.
07-07-2008, 07:11 AM
Deer Deer has been a very positive and productive member of the board and his advice, while not what you want to hear, is good advice. Especially when your doctor has no clue what you're doing outside of their prescribed treatment. If you have an issue with a doc's bedside manners or possible negligence, then find another doctor.
We're not talking about helping someone's test levels go up and we're not talking about self supplementing. Don't do this to yourself or your wife and if you really think this will work then take all of the info you can find and bring it to your doctor and have them review it and tell you one way or another what you should do.
Either way, good luck and God bless. I know this is a stressful time and I hope everything turns out okay.
07-07-2008, 08:53 AM
Have her stick to simple healthy dieting and living, suggesting supps can cause more unnecessary stress! All too often I see pateints shifting and altering their regimens by going with supplements that have the potential to negatively alter a therapeutic outcome because of something they read on the internet.You guys are reading a lot into my posts. Why not ask if the doctor knows what she's doing? I never said the dr didn't, but you assumed. In fact, I never said WHAT we're doing, if anything; I said I'm simply researching.Especially when your doctor has no clue what you're doing outside of their prescribed treatment
We did.If you have an issue with a doc's bedside manners or possible negligence, then find another doctor.
How kind of you to ask! She's been on green tea for a long time. When we found out, we added curcumin to it, that's it EDIT: and a****aba, as her sister sent her some. I'm looking at supplements which are beneficial for overall health, as well as having potential benefits against cancer in general. Once we know what it is, and the doctors formulate a plan, we'll let them know what she's taking.Originally Posted by DeerDeer
She's changed her diet, and is starting back up with the exercise (stopped because of kids).
Was that so hard?
07-07-2008, 01:32 PM
Poison, good luck to your wife and family.......
07-07-2008, 01:56 PM
Thank you, Ripd.
07-07-2008, 09:10 PM
I hope you guys make it through this okay Poison. Good luck to you and your family, do what you have to do.
I lost my mom and aunt to cancer one year apart from each other, Cancer sucks. Watching them slowly suffer and lost the battle while you can do nothing is the worst feeling in the world!!
Do whatever you have to do!!
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