[EasyEJL]

I've seen polls with this posted before, but i'm looking for both opinions as well as specifics And what I mean I'm lookign to hear both an X number of LBM (and how much fat gained with it) over 60 days as well as taking what to get there. So it could be PSLIN/AP/Powerfull/X-factor, MassFX with Ebol and DTH, whatever really. Better if its a combo you took, but theory is welcome too.

[imprezivr6]

Good post.. But i doubt many people can give you an ACCURATE answer..

Either way, i am interested to see what some people have to say..

[Rodja]

My best success came with XF, 90mg Forskolin, 30g BCAAs, and RPM. When it was all said and done, I added 7 lbs of muscle and lost 4 lbs of fat and that was in less than 60 days as well.

[EasyEJL]

my feeling is that 4 is relatively easy, and 12 is maybe possible. i'm not sure, cause that is just about 1.5/week which is pretty extreme for naturals. big piece of the question too of course is where you are in your development anyhow

[Frequency]

Originally Posted by Rodja

My best success came with XF, 90mg Forskolin, 30g BCAAs, and RPM. When it was all said and done, I added 7 lbs of muscle and lost 4 lbs of fat and that was in less than 60 days as well.

not bad. Could any of that be attributed to muscle memory

[Rodja]

Originally Posted by Frequency

not bad. Could any of that be attributed to muscle memory

Possibly, but I wasn't doing much for muscular hypertrophy. I was doing maybe 5-6 sets each for arms/delts, no leg training, and chest/back 2x/wk.0

[T-Bone]

1 pound a week is easy without any help from supplements. Well not exactly easy, diet has to be "dialed in".

[DreamWeaver]

I guess this does not include newbie gains.

[EasyEJL]

yeah, really looking for after newbie gains, but not necessarily close to "genetic limit" yet

[jdev]

If money wasn't object, I was bulking, and I didn't think X-Factor was bad for you, this is what Id take

2x X-Factor
2x ActX
2x BAM
2x Restore or Advanced PCT
2x DTH
2x NeoVar

pWO supps
probably NOS Ether. never tried but looks great
Xtend

Some antioxidants GSE, ResV, ALA, etc

Essentials

1lb Steak for every meal with lots of brown rice

I think 12 lbs over 60 days would definitely be possible with the right training. DC is my favorite.

[DreamWeaver]

Ok on good diet alone and nothing more than protein powder I have gotten a newbie up 20 lbs in 60 days. I have seen cases where they actually look a little leaner. Remember 4 lbs of water for every lb of muscle. I think that's the ratio anyway. Anyway newb gains are great, but it's amazing what they can do when they do what they're told. I had this one particular guy I'm thinking of marked as an ecto..

[EasyEJL]

Originally Posted by jdev

I think 12 lbs over 60 days would definitely be possible with the right training. DC is my favorite.

you know, for all the other things i have tried, I still haven't tried DC. I guess part of it is that I both want a spotter for it, and someone who has done it before as well so that I can make sure I get the stretches, etc right.

[jdev]

DC is the best training program IMO for mass gains with incidental strength gain as well. I only find i need a spotter for the Inc. and Dec. BB chest exercises. W/ flat bench, if I fail, i just roll the bar off me. Spotters also help with squatting, but really isn't necessary.
The streches are a bit tricky. At first I didn't understand how to do the shoulder one, and I still don't think im doing the tricep one correctly.

Anyway, you should definitely try it out. Its really helped me w/ my shoulders

[imprezivr6]

I have trained DC for a couple years, and train solo.. No issues..

I can't see myself switching to any other form of training..

[ncangey0513]

Just my opinion, but here's what I'd run:

X-Factor, ActivaTe Xtreme