Help me make a custom pre W/o creatine/NO mix

[sundevil04]

I'm going to be making and most likely logging my own custom pre-w/o creatine/NO product made from bulk supplies. Right now I am planning the mix below. I'd like to get as many opinions as possible on ingredients and dosing. Please reccomend anything you'd add/subtract and/or adjustments to the dosing. I'm also thinking of adding banaba extract...ideas?

1g ---di-creatine malate
1g ---tri-Creatine orotate
1g ---creatine gluconate
1g ---magnesium creatine chelate
1g ---di-creatine citrate

3g ---di-arginine malate
2g ---AAKG
2g ---AEE
1g ---L-norvaline
5g ---GMS

2g ---betaine anhydrous
4g ---citrulline malate
3g ---beta alanine

2g ---NAC
2g ---taurine

 

[raginfcktard]

3g glutamine AKG
1-2 ornithine AKG
100 packets of crystal light

here is a good base pre workout, beats getting it all seperatly!
http://www.nutrabio.com/Products/akg_stack.htm

 

[sundevil04]

bump

 

[mDeezy]

not sure if you're already done w/ this, i'm a new member who just saw this thread- i'd add 1g l-carnitine, lower the beta-alanine to 2g, and add 100 mcg of cyanocobalamin (vit b12)

 

[sundevil04]

why lower the beta alanine?

 

[mDeezy]

imo, 1.5 - 2g is more than enough, any more than that i believe is just costing you $$$.

when i first started taking BA, i took 1.5g and i felt an immediate difference, later i upped the dosage after that and felt no increased effect, so i lowered it back to 1.5 and i think its just as effective.

maybe thats just me tho

 

[mDeezy]

i should mention i also take 1.5g post w/o

 

[wrasslin116]

Too many options..
I'd go with at the top of my head,

5g creatine mono
5g AEE
1-2g Ornithine
3g Citrulline Malate
2-4g BA
5g Glutamine
100-200mg caffeine