2 bottles of havoc 180 caps for a 246lber?

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Hi, i've been lifting now for close to 4 years and would like to try havoc.I am 6"4 246lbs.My ? is can I run 40mgs a day for 6 weeks at my weight.I'm just wondering what you guys think, would 40mgs straight out of the gate be o.k.I also want to so I will not have caps leftover. I also have nolva lined up for pct. I will listen to good advice.Thanks
 
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research Epi/Havoc in the anabolic section of the forum...there's tons of info there
 

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anabolic section ok.I've read alot about it,i'm just wanting to know if this cycle would be to mild or risky.
 
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at the top of the thread "thread tools" select "move"
 

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delsol thread tools offerd me a poll and subscribe to
 
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on my threads I can click on the thread tools and there is a section for moderation tools and there is an option there for move...
 

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Maybe a mod can move it later thanks for your time.Trauma great write up, almost answered my ?.....
 
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Maybe a mod can move it later thanks for your time.Trauma great write up, almost answered my ?.....
Is that intended to be sarcasm?

Havoc at 40-50mg/day for 4 weeks should be more than enough for your size imo.
 

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40mgs a day for (45 days or 6 weeks) that way I can use all 180 caps,good or no trauma.
 
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40mgs a day for (45 days or 6 weeks) that way I can use all 180 caps,good or no trauma.
I don't recommend 6 weeks. I think(40-50mg/day) 4-5 weeks max you should be better overall.

More is not always better. It's the truth my friend.
 
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I did 30/40/50/50/50 no sweat at 250.

Bloodwork came back was laughable, as if I didn't even do a cycle. Then again, I basically inhaled fish oil, cycle support, and liver longer.
 
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just cause your big doesn't mean neg sides wont hit you. I think something on the caliber of steroids should not be misunderstood for supplements. Some certain supplements can be so called "mega dosed" or "overdosed" they all have some sort of negative reaction even if its light. I think havoc is more about how fresh your receptors are. Don't always assume that just cause your big means more. less is more in my opinion, especially if you get owned and run into trouble on high dose. Greed leads to trouble just remember that.
 

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How could 40 for 6 weeks be more than 50 for 5 weeks.Anyways what would be a good cycle for 180 caps for 5 weeks, so I can use all my caps.Thanks in advance.
 

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I didn't once say that cellar,havoc/epi needs to be bumbed up 120 caps imo
 
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just cause your big doesn't mean neg sides wont hit you. I think something on the caliber of steroids should not be misunderstood for supplements. Some certain supplements can be so called "mega dosed" or "overdosed" they all have some sort of negative reaction even if its light. I think havoc is more about how fresh your receptors are. Don't always assume that just cause your big means more. less is more in my opinion, especially if you get owned and run into trouble on high dose. Greed leads to trouble just remember that.
Receptors being fresh is a myth.
 
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How could 40 for 6 weeks be more than 50 for 5 weeks.Anyways what would be a good cycle for 180 caps for 5 weeks, so I can use all my caps.Thanks in advance.
Not everyone will respond the same to any given compound. I'm not sure why you're so concerned with using all of your caps? Using them all isn't going to mean better gains in the end.

I don't think you need anymore than 5 weeks max period.
 

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Don't get me wrong trauma I believe you,I'll have to find the sweet spot,I just hate having extra or especially not enough...:think:
 
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Receptors being fresh is a myth.
Emo, i agree with you to a degree. However, people that use large doses of AAS for long periods of time definitely have some type of receptor downregulation imo.

It's like chronic opiate addicts. Tolerace is assesed and more is needed to achieve the same results in the end. I see this everyday in medicine man. I've read the articles that debate it, however i don't agree with it on all accounts by any means.
 
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Emo, i agree with you to a degree. However, people that use large doses of AAS for long periods of time definitely have some type of receptor downregulation imo.

It's like chronic opiate addicts. Tolerace is assesed and more is needed to achieve the same results in the end. I see this everyday in medicine man. I've read the articles that debate it, however i don't agree with it on all accounts by any means.
thats what I though as well. I though the reason why people do so many AAS at once is not because they want to get HUGE (well they do) but I though its because they dont get the same effect as the first run. Thats just what ive always assumed all along however.
 
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thats what I though as well. I though the reason why people do so many AAS at once is not because they want to get HUGE (well they do) but I though its because they dont get the same effect as the first run. Thats just what ive always assumed all along however.
There is NO proof as well that AR receptor downregulation doesn't happen either. Based on my real life experience in medicine, i'd be willing to bet a large sum that AR downregualtion does indeed occur.
 

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20mgs/first two days 50mgs/35 days (5 weeks) =roughly 1800mgs,:D is my planned cycle.If I can't tolerate 50mgs I'll send my leftover caps to one of you.
 
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use what you need bro, why use it all when you really don't have to. why put the extra stress on your liver for $20 which is what half a bottle of havoc would cost?

more = less in this case
 

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Dang! You guys got me rethinking, maybe I'll just buy one bottle and run 30mgs/30 days (900mgs/4 weeks)that way I'll not have an extra 35-40 bucks lying around...
 
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Dang! You guys got me rethinking, maybe I'll just buy one bottle and run 30mgs/30 days (900mgs/4 weeks)that way I'll not have an extra 35-40 bucks lying around...
Exactly.......The common american concept is more = better. That couldn't be farther from the truth. In my eyes brother, safety ALWAYS comes first! :D
 

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Concept is one thing, reality is I hope I can get good results out of 90 caps like say a 150-170lb person:thumbsup:
 
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Concept is one thing, reality is I hope I can get good results out of 90 caps like say a 150-170lb person:thumbsup:
it's finally good to see someone who had his mind set on something actually take some advice and change his plan and do the right thing.

reps to you boxhead, who's with me?
 
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it's finally good to see someone who had his mind set on something actually take some advice and change his plan and do the right thing.

reps to you boxhead, who's with me?
I'm with you b!
 
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i knew you would T1, especially after that last havoc thread we were apart of, lol

you're a good man, respect 2u good sir
As to you my friend! :)
 
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OT - we don't drink fosters in new zealand, that's australia, lol

our flags look the same
My bad! :)

Well lets cheers to both an american and new zealand brew! :cheers:

I'm actually a half breed of both irish and polish decent. Irish and german beer top my list though! :D
 
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My bad! :)

Well lets cheers to both an american and new zealand brew! :cheers:

I'm actually a half breed of both irish and polish decent. Irish and german beer top my list though! :D
cheers bro :cheers:
 

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