ogdlow
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2 weeks pre Havoc cylce
Last week of Havoc Cycle
Last week of Havoc Cycle
Excellent progress my friend!! We appreciate the feedback and picture posting. You definitely appear to have packed on some size while remaining lean and mean.I think it's these two pics you wanted to show
Before
After
agreed...what was the weight gain?Monstorbox, you look the same in both pics?
Not saying that your not looking pretty jacked in the first pic, but you look the same in both?
Looks like you made some nice progress man.2 weeks pre Havoc cylce
Last week of Havoc Cycle
Can I be a bit blunt and say the OP really didn't need steroids to get those results in 8 weeks...
:goodpost::clap2:Can I be a bit blunt and say the OP really didn't need steroids to get those results in 8 weeks...
Side by side
Bullshit - thats like a whole year worth of gains for most people - and he got them in 3 weeks.:goodpost::clap2:
I agree. I mean the progress is quite noticeable, however, IMO, he needs more years of training before doing cycles. From the before pics it looks like he just started working out.
The point is if diet and/or training are lacking those gains will vanish within 2 months.Bullshit - thats like a whole year worth of gains for most people - and he got them in 3 weeks.
Sure if you have awesome genetics you can get that type of result in 8 weeks naturally. But for the human members on the board those are nice solid Havoc gains.
agree 100%.Nice gains but it looks like you never even touched weights before you jumped on the roid wagon.
At 19 with him being as scrawny as her was before, a serious diet and training regimen could get him there in probably less than 6 months. What does your workout schedule look like ogdlowBullshit - thats like a whole year worth of gains for most people - and he got them in 3 weeks.
Sure if you have awesome genetics you can get that type of result in 8 weeks naturally. But for the human members on the board those are nice solid Havoc gains.
bullshit back at yaBullshit - thats like a whole year worth of gains for most people - and he got them in 3 weeks.
Sure if you have awesome genetics you can get that type of result in 8 weeks naturally. But for the human members on the board those are nice solid Havoc gains.
i personally think you have to draw the line SOMEWHERE. when a 19 year old kid juices when he has no musculature whatsoever, it is patently irresponsible to applaud it without an equal measure of admonishment and disappointment.This is a "Before/After" thread everyone....not a lecture series on proper PH useage. Plenty of threads for learning about PHs....as much as I may agree on certain topics, let's keep this thread to what the title implies. Bashing & lecturing should be kept to PMs IMO.
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Dude, seriously, who cares? Nobody forced him into doing something w/o researching it or asking others 1st. Some people learn the hard way.i personally think you have to draw the line SOMEWHERE. when a 19 year old kid juices when he has no musculature whatsoever, it is patently irresponsible to applaud it without an equal measure of admonishment and disappointment.
this sort of thing makes me wish the sh1t was illegal again. this kid will probably be fine, but what if he'd been 15? or had preexisting liver disease? or way overdosed? steroids generally wont kill you, but then again you can jump from a moving car a bunch of times and probably be fine, too.
oh ok...not sure how the 19 y/o business got mixed in with that. sorry.AS for my age I am 33 yrs old not 19.
Right, because making it illegal definately kept it off the streets. :toofunny: I was 16 when I did my first Test Cyp cycle. I had been lifting three years before I did it. Even at that age, I was able to procure ilicit substances from an older chap in my club.this sort of thing makes me wish the sh1t was illegal again.
Well Put....r. What is wrong with being an endurance athlete?. Do people somehow think that you have to be a bodybuilder or powerlifter to benefit from a steroid cycle?. I don't understand that mentality.