Havoc Before and After Pics

[StanChampion]

Dude go take your anti-steroid rant somewhere else, it has no place in this thread.

Sounds like you are jealous anyway.

anti-steroid? You missed the point completely. I will state it again just for you, read it a few times to make it sink in.

A complete novice lifter has no business taking steroids.

Teach and Learn are motto's of this board. The critical criticism of OD is justified. Some are trying to teach OD that using steroids without any foundation or reaching your body's natural limits is dangerous. Hopefully, OD will learn that using steroids is OK, but should only be utilized later in a lifting career. Using steroids when you are just starting to work out will lead only to trouble.

jealous? Are you 14?

[ReaperX]

I bet Lance Armstrong was using some drugs when he won the tour de france all those times.

[DreamWeaver]

anti-steroid? You missed the point completely. I will state it again just for you, read it a few times to make it sink in.

A complete novice lifter has no business taking steroids.

Teach and Learn are motto's of this board. The critical criticism of OD is justified. Some are trying to teach OD that using steroids without any foundation or reaching your body's natural limits is dangerous. Hopefully, OD will learn that using steroids is OK, but should only be utilized later in a lifting career. Using steroids when you are just starting to work out will lead only to trouble.

jealous? Are you 14?

I think you make a good point. I always avoid young people stay away from these kinds of drugs. There is so much that can be accomplished without them. Later on when genetic potential has been reached perhaps then it may be time to use something.

Even then I think a person should have a good reason to use something. For me when I reached 45 I found that the amount of effort I was putting in no longer returned the same results so I did a couple of cycles of 1Test/4ad transdermal. A couple years later after a long hiatus I found that it was even harder to make progress so I did a couple Halodrol cycles. This year I did a Furazadrol cycle to help me burn some fat. I don't plan on doing any more as it just isn't worth it when there are so many good herbal products. I don't know if my use was justified but I caved and used for those reasons. All I can say is if your going to use something make sure you think about your reasons for doing so. Why young people feel they have to use... well it's a bit of a mystery to me, just try and be more patient.

[nateo1979]

Keep Posting.. Great results. Let the haters hate. Gonna do a cycle of Spawn (havoc/epistane + Extreme Tren) once I get a hold of a proper PCT.

Can you be a little more detailed with your log? Weight Gain, Strength gain, etc.

[b unit]

I bet Lance Armstrong was using some drugs when he won the tour de france all those times.

i bet you're right

[LatSpread]

Just curious OP, in your after picture your skins completely red, did you get sunburned or get bad problems with high blood pressure?

This worries me as in the Epistane testimonials on NP guy mentioned being Irish and his skin turning from white to red while working out, he says this as if its a good thing, but typically that is not the case.

I didnt think it would give gypertension issues as its a dry compound, but with these new designer PH's its better safe than sorry.

Im asking as Im considering a havoc cycle in the near future.

[Mulletsoldier]

Just curious OP, in your after picture your skins completely red, did you get sunburned or get bad problems with high blood pressure?

This worries me as in the Epistane testimonials on NP guy mentioned being Irish and his skin turning from white to red while working out, he says this as if its a good thing, but typically that is not the case.

I didnt think it would give gypertension issues as its a dry compound, but with these new designer PH's its better safe than sorry.

Im asking as Im considering a havoc cycle in the near future.

Redness in the picture is from a pump - he got a little pumped for the pic.

[b unit]

also possibly a tanning bed session or 2 or 3?

[Frequency]

anti-steroid? You missed the point completely. I will state it again just for you, read it a few times to make it sink in.

A complete novice lifter has no business taking steroids.

Teach and Learn are motto's of this board. The critical criticism of OD is justified. Some are trying to teach OD that using steroids without any foundation or reaching your body's natural limits is dangerous. Hopefully, OD will learn that using steroids is OK, but should only be utilized later in a lifting career. Using steroids when you are just starting to work out will lead only to trouble.

jealous? Are you 14?

worse. he is a 37 year old ignorant troll

[ogdlow]

blood pressure was fine.. however i only check it 1 a week. as for the redness. I was in the sun all day the day the pic was taken.

as for it being dry... I drank water and still felt thirsty quite often... I never felt any bloat like when you take creatine. Just a very Hard Pump all the DAM TIME>>> It is great.

[b unit]

this thread has had a bit of everything going on, knocks, praise, rants and even abuse, gotta love A.M

[Trauma1]

Yeah - This thread has certainly become erratic at best lol!

[RoadBlocK]

Im enjoying it.

[b unit]

Im enjoying it.

me too.

it's classic stuff,

all the original poster did was post a couple of results pics as he seemed quite pleased with himself - next thing you know it's a sh*tfight!

[RoadBlocK]

me too.

it's classic stuff,

all the original poster did was post a couple of results pics as he seemed quite pleased with himself - next thing you know it's a sh*tfight!

Sup b unit, I thought he looked like he made some nice gains, maybe he jumped the gun a little, whose to say, but I love the left and right extremes we got in here, it makes me laugh.

[b unit]

Sup b unit, I thought he looked like he made some nice gains, maybe he jumped the gun a little, whose to say, but I love the left and right extremes we got in here, it makes me laugh.

i'm pretty much staying neutral on it RB, sort like you are, on one hand, the dude's 31 and not 19 so he's old enough to make his own decisions but on the other hand he's only been lifting for a year and a half so it's kind of early to hit something like epi.

in saying that though he did ok in the gains dept considering the short time he was on epi, but as they say - "it's not what happens when you're on that counts, it what happens once you're off that is the true indicator to the gains you make."

[LatSpread]

Redness in the picture is from a pump - he got a little pumped for the pic.

I see, I never seem to be red when I get a muscle pump, but I guess without taking a pre and postWO picture I might not be able to accurately comment on that.

Can anyone else attest to the fact one gets red when pumped?

(Im not saying that people getting a pump doesnt turn them red, just that in 6yrs of lifting I'd never seen much of a corelation between the two excpet when on PH's that had me pumped but also had my bp through the roof, seems like when Im on Ether and other supps I'll get a huge pump but no noticable redness nor any raise in bp, but again without pics I doubt Id notice much)

[Trauma1]

me too.

it's classic stuff,

all the original poster did was post a couple of results pics as he seemed quite pleased with himself - next thing you know it's a sh*tfight!

Lol - Exactly. I had to do it haha!

[b unit]

I see, I never seem to be red when I get a muscle pump, but I guess without taking a pre and postWO picture I might not be able to accurately comment on that.

Can anyone else attest to the fact one gets red when pumped?

Definition of Pump:
The look and feeling a bodybuilder experiences when his/her muscles engorge with blood as the result of intense exercise.

Therefore with blood being the colour red and if the skin is white with low BF levels, just maybe - one might turn a slight shade of red when pumped.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1075/...1cb55562_o.jpg
http://www.2-bodybuilding.com/upload...1_p4010387.jpg

also the OP said that he was in the sun that day, it's pretty clear by looking at the after pic that he was exposed to UV light.

[b unit]

Lol - Exactly. I had to do it haha!

lol, me too