Havoc Before and After Pics

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by ogdlow View Post
    Ok. I will keep my post to the true nature of my thread. and that is My story of Before and After. SO if anybody whats to follow this thread and is intrested i will keep posting my results... as for all the sidebar. whatever. However AM is a place to Learn, Teach, and Lead so i understand if anybody wants to post their 2cents..
    although i think you may have hit a cycle too early into your lifting "career" i respect the fact that you are 31 and have a right to do as you please.

    i also respect the fact that you have kept your composure on this thread as you are getting a fair amount of "heat"




  2. Man this thread just went silly. Like I said earlier I think you could've seen those results in the same time frame without the steroids, with that said I'm not about to give you a hard time for going down that route as long as you followed PCT and I'm not so sure anyone else should either.

    I'm not so sure about you being a runner though...I mean you look really soft in that first picture, not what my experience of regular runners has been at all, especially ones that also do weights. Maybe your diet is too anti-carb or something? idk.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by StanChampion View Post
    bull**** back at ya

    Those "gains" are ephemeral. Did his tendon and joints grow stronger as well? Nope, not at the same rate as the muscles. This will lead to an early injury. He would have been much better off in the long run by working hard for a few years to build a foundation and then MAYBE use some steroids. Right now it is all an illusion. No real foundation and will only lead to injury and havoc on his endocrine system.
    Dude go take your anti-steroid rant somewhere else, it has no place in this thread.

    Sounds like you are jealous anyway.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by ogdlow View Post
    Ok. I will keep my post to the true nature of my thread. and that is My story of Before and After. SO if anybody whats to follow this thread and is intrested i will keep posting my results... as for all the sidebar. whatever. However AM is a place to Learn, Teach, and Lead so i understand if anybody wants to post their 2cents..
    You made good gains bro - good job.

    Dont listen to these pussies that wont post their own pictures up. They like to act like they are experts but in reality they are 15 year old punks who weigh 125lbs, lol. Im sure they would love to make those same gains in 3 weeks.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by FrankJ View Post
    You made good gains bro - good job.

    Dont listen to these pussies that wont post their own pictures up. They like to act like they are experts but in reality they are 15 year old punks who weigh 125lbs, lol. Im sure they would love to make those same gains in 3 weeks.

    Why would you promote someone obviously inexpirenced to take steriods?

    This is just nuts to me... You want to preach a feel good sermon to someone who uses steriods way to soon, and could have had those same results natural?
    Listen up, there can be serious side effects to using any prohormone pro-steriod. Try actually considering peoples health before playing "the buddy role" cause it feels nice.

    Aren't these forums for promoting healthy educated ways of using substances anyway?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by FrankJ View Post
    Dude go take your anti-steroid rant somewhere else, it has no place in this thread.

    Sounds like you are jealous anyway.
    anti-steroid? You missed the point completely. I will state it again just for you, read it a few times to make it sink in.

    A complete novice lifter has no business taking steroids.

    Teach and Learn are motto's of this board. The critical criticism of OD is justified. Some are trying to teach OD that using steroids without any foundation or reaching your body's natural limits is dangerous. Hopefully, OD will learn that using steroids is OK, but should only be utilized later in a lifting career. Using steroids when you are just starting to work out will lead only to trouble.

    jealous? Are you 14?

  7. I bet Lance Armstrong was using some drugs when he won the tour de france all those times.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by StanChampion View Post
    anti-steroid? You missed the point completely. I will state it again just for you, read it a few times to make it sink in.

    A complete novice lifter has no business taking steroids.

    Teach and Learn are motto's of this board. The critical criticism of OD is justified. Some are trying to teach OD that using steroids without any foundation or reaching your body's natural limits is dangerous. Hopefully, OD will learn that using steroids is OK, but should only be utilized later in a lifting career. Using steroids when you are just starting to work out will lead only to trouble.

    jealous? Are you 14?
    I think you make a good point. I always avoid young people stay away from these kinds of drugs. There is so much that can be accomplished without them. Later on when genetic potential has been reached perhaps then it may be time to use something.

    Even then I think a person should have a good reason to use something. For me when I reached 45 I found that the amount of effort I was putting in no longer returned the same results so I did a couple of cycles of 1Test/4ad transdermal. A couple years later after a long hiatus I found that it was even harder to make progress so I did a couple Halodrol cycles. This year I did a Furazadrol cycle to help me burn some fat. I don't plan on doing any more as it just isn't worth it when there are so many good herbal products. I don't know if my use was justified but I caved and used for those reasons. All I can say is if your going to use something make sure you think about your reasons for doing so. Why young people feel they have to use... well it's a bit of a mystery to me, just try and be more patient.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug
  9. Thumbs up ogdlow


    Keep Posting.. Great results. Let the haters hate. Gonna do a cycle of Spawn (havoc/epistane + Extreme Tren) once I get a hold of a proper PCT.

    Can you be a little more detailed with your log? Weight Gain, Strength gain, etc.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    I bet Lance Armstrong was using some drugs when he won the tour de france all those times.
    i bet you're right

  11. Just curious OP, in your after picture your skins completely red, did you get sunburned or get bad problems with high blood pressure?

    This worries me as in the Epistane testimonials on NP guy mentioned being Irish and his skin turning from white to red while working out, he says this as if its a good thing, but typically that is not the case.

    I didnt think it would give gypertension issues as its a dry compound, but with these new designer PH's its better safe than sorry.

    Im asking as Im considering a havoc cycle in the near future.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by LatSpread View Post
    Just curious OP, in your after picture your skins completely red, did you get sunburned or get bad problems with high blood pressure?

    This worries me as in the Epistane testimonials on NP guy mentioned being Irish and his skin turning from white to red while working out, he says this as if its a good thing, but typically that is not the case.

    I didnt think it would give gypertension issues as its a dry compound, but with these new designer PH's its better safe than sorry.

    Im asking as Im considering a havoc cycle in the near future.
    Redness in the picture is from a pump - he got a little pumped for the pic.

  13. also possibly a tanning bed session or 2 or 3?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by StanChampion View Post
    anti-steroid? You missed the point completely. I will state it again just for you, read it a few times to make it sink in.

    A complete novice lifter has no business taking steroids.

    Teach and Learn are motto's of this board. The critical criticism of OD is justified. Some are trying to teach OD that using steroids without any foundation or reaching your body's natural limits is dangerous. Hopefully, OD will learn that using steroids is OK, but should only be utilized later in a lifting career. Using steroids when you are just starting to work out will lead only to trouble.

    jealous? Are you 14?
    worse. he is a 37 year old ignorant troll

  15. blood pressure was fine.. however i only check it 1 a week. as for the redness. I was in the sun all day the day the pic was taken.

    as for it being dry... I drank water and still felt thirsty quite often... I never felt any bloat like when you take creatine. Just a very Hard Pump all the DAM TIME>>> It is great.

  16. this thread has had a bit of everything going on, knocks, praise, rants and even abuse, gotta love A.M

  17. Yeah - This thread has certainly become erratic at best lol!

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  18. Im enjoying it.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by RoadBlocK View Post
    Im enjoying it.
    me too.

    it's classic stuff,

    all the original poster did was post a couple of results pics as he seemed quite pleased with himself - next thing you know it's a sh*tfight!

  20. Quote Originally Posted by b unit View Post
    me too.

    it's classic stuff,

    all the original poster did was post a couple of results pics as he seemed quite pleased with himself - next thing you know it's a sh*tfight!
    Sup b unit, I thought he looked like he made some nice gains, maybe he jumped the gun a little, whose to say, but I love the left and right extremes we got in here, it makes me laugh.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by RoadBlocK View Post
    Sup b unit, I thought he looked like he made some nice gains, maybe he jumped the gun a little, whose to say, but I love the left and right extremes we got in here, it makes me laugh.
    i'm pretty much staying neutral on it RB, sort like you are, on one hand, the dude's 31 and not 19 so he's old enough to make his own decisions but on the other hand he's only been lifting for a year and a half so it's kind of early to hit something like epi.

    in saying that though he did ok in the gains dept considering the short time he was on epi, but as they say - "it's not what happens when you're on that counts, it what happens once you're off that is the true indicator to the gains you make."


  22. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Redness in the picture is from a pump - he got a little pumped for the pic.
    I see, I never seem to be red when I get a muscle pump, but I guess without taking a pre and postWO picture I might not be able to accurately comment on that.

    Can anyone else attest to the fact one gets red when pumped?

    (Im not saying that people getting a pump doesnt turn them red, just that in 6yrs of lifting I'd never seen much of a corelation between the two excpet when on PH's that had me pumped but also had my bp through the roof, seems like when Im on Ether and other supps I'll get a huge pump but no noticable redness nor any raise in bp, but again without pics I doubt Id notice much)

  23. Quote Originally Posted by b unit View Post
    me too.

    it's classic stuff,

    all the original poster did was post a couple of results pics as he seemed quite pleased with himself - next thing you know it's a sh*tfight!


    Lol - Exactly. I had to do it haha!

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  24. Quote Originally Posted by LatSpread View Post
    I see, I never seem to be red when I get a muscle pump, but I guess without taking a pre and postWO picture I might not be able to accurately comment on that.

    Can anyone else attest to the fact one gets red when pumped?
    Definition of Pump:
    The look and feeling a bodybuilder experiences when his/her muscles engorge with blood as the result of intense exercise.

    Therefore with blood being the colour red and if the skin is white with low BF levels, just maybe - one might turn a slight shade of red when pumped.

    http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1075/...1cb55562_o.jpg
    http://www.2-bodybuilding.com/upload...1_p4010387.jpg

    also the OP said that he was in the sun that day, it's pretty clear by looking at the after pic that he was exposed to UV light.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post


    Lol - Exactly. I had to do it haha!
    lol, me too

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