Havoc Before and After Pics
- 06-21-2008, 10:43 PM
- 06-21-2008, 10:52 PM
06-21-2008, 11:04 PM
06-21-2008, 11:32 PM
It appears as though he is flexing some in the second pic esp in the trap/pec areas. I wouldn't be surprised if the second pic was taken right after a full body workout to get the pumped look. Lighting also appears a bit better in the 2nd pic. Just my opinion. I mean there were definite gains, however not as much as it looks though.
06-22-2008, 12:19 AM
06-22-2008, 09:20 AM
06-22-2008, 09:21 AM
06-22-2008, 09:41 AM
Obviously, you shouldn't have even conjured up the thought process to put your finger on that button that says, "Purchase Now" for a long, long, long, and once more long, long time. With that being said, you've already done it - I just wouldn't do it again for a long, long, long and once more long, long time....seriously, a long time.
06-22-2008, 02:29 PM
06-22-2008, 02:57 PM
I don't understand your reply to my post. What is "ready"?. My point was that everyone seems to think that only bodybuilders/powerlifters benefit from steroid use. Hasn't anyone heard of endurance atheletes using "gear"?. Just because the guy doesn't appear to have a bodybuilders body doesn't make him any less of an athlete. There are people that want to increase the strength slow twitch fibers as opposed to fast twitch. We all have different goals. You assume that the orignal posters goal was to gain massive amounts of strength and increase the muscle mass.....
Why the one-sided point of view?. The original poster is not a teenager. That would be different. Sure maybe he could have waited a few years, but really would that make much of difference?.
06-22-2008, 03:13 PM
He didnt look athletic in any way shape or form pre-usage. That is my point. Since when were athletic athletes pudgy and scrawny? Hell i hate to call him out like that but really? Lets see those wheels. He's a marathoner and he is only interested in showing us is upper body gains
06-22-2008, 03:25 PM
Nice gains and all, but yeah you looked like you had never seen a weight before havoc, and in the shape you started in you could have made those gains VERY easily naturally. You might want to consider that in the future. Either way though, you had to work hard and train and eat for that type of development, so I commend you on that. Noticeable improvement.
06-22-2008, 03:32 PM
06-22-2008, 03:39 PM
This **** is getting ridiculous..
If it were a respected, long time member, who posted this, everyone would be kissing his ass. I see logs all the time of people doing PH cycles, and they don't look like they are near their potential, and should continue on naturally. But because they are long time, or avid posters here, their logs hit 10+ pages of praise...
I'll be the first to admit, i have done a cycle or two before i ever should have or was ready. And looking back, i wish i didn't, but it was my decision to make.
I understand you want to put the potential health risks, and other issues out there, for others to see. But at the end of the day, people are going to make their own decisions, and shouldn't be faulted for that.
06-22-2008, 03:44 PM
06-22-2008, 04:07 PM
06-22-2008, 04:11 PM
06-22-2008, 04:11 PM
I think bottom line is that there are/can bad sides from the use of PH. ...What is "ready"?. My point was that everyone seems to think that only bodybuilders/powerlifters benefit from steroid use. Hasn't anyone heard of endurance atheletes using "gear"?.
Hell Even the celeberties are using HGH at the age of 50+. Men and women WTF.. And Im sure that all those baseball players arent bodybuilders.... ummmm. and what about lance armstrong and his "sports Cream"......
Well I guess u can judge me all u want but.
so u tell me becasue I show a before picture .. one that i look fragile with a after one that i look solid. I should have never used. ..... dude come on..:bruce3:
06-22-2008, 04:21 PM
I for one have a lot more respect for endurance atheletes like Lance Armstrong than pro bodybuilders like Ronnie Coleman. I'd love to see the big age try and even compete in a 5K!. He would probably drop dead within the first 20 minutes!.
06-22-2008, 04:25 PM
06-22-2008, 04:25 PM
06-22-2008, 04:26 PM
I totally agree with the "put some effort in" It really bothers me when people use steroids as a crutch. But i can say my peace about it, and move on.
The thing is we don't REALLY know anyones situation. It is easy for a bunch of 18-25 year olds to tell this guy he should be making those types of gains naturally, when he infact it may be very hard for him to make any gains at all.
06-22-2008, 04:42 PM
Ok. I will keep my post to the true nature of my thread. and that is My story of Before and After. SO if anybody whats to follow this thread and is intrested i will keep posting my results... as for all the sidebar. whatever. However AM is a place to Learn, Teach, and Lead so i understand if anybody wants to post their 2cents..
06-22-2008, 04:46 PM
06-22-2008, 05:52 PM
they are both champions in their own chosen sport
to say u'd love to see ronnie do a 5k run is like saying i'd love to see lance hit a 800lb squat, it ain't gonna happen.
i respect top level athletes whatever sport, it still takes the same amount of dedication to reach the top and stay there.
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