Havoc Before and After Pics
- 06-22-2008, 04:13 PM
- 06-22-2008, 04:25 PM
Nice gains and all, but yeah you looked like you had never seen a weight before havoc, and in the shape you started in you could have made those gains VERY easily naturally. You might want to consider that in the future. Either way though, you had to work hard and train and eat for that type of development, so I commend you on that. Noticeable improvement.
06-22-2008, 04:32 PM
06-22-2008, 04:39 PM
This **** is getting ridiculous..
If it were a respected, long time member, who posted this, everyone would be kissing his ass. I see logs all the time of people doing PH cycles, and they don't look like they are near their potential, and should continue on naturally. But because they are long time, or avid posters here, their logs hit 10+ pages of praise...
I'll be the first to admit, i have done a cycle or two before i ever should have or was ready. And looking back, i wish i didn't, but it was my decision to make.
I understand you want to put the potential health risks, and other issues out there, for others to see. But at the end of the day, people are going to make their own decisions, and shouldn't be faulted for that.
06-22-2008, 04:44 PM
06-22-2008, 05:07 PM
06-22-2008, 05:11 PM
06-22-2008, 05:11 PM
I think bottom line is that there are/can bad sides from the use of PH. ...What is "ready"?. My point was that everyone seems to think that only bodybuilders/powerlifters benefit from steroid use. Hasn't anyone heard of endurance atheletes using "gear"?.
Hell Even the celeberties are using HGH at the age of 50+. Men and women WTF.. And Im sure that all those baseball players arent bodybuilders.... ummmm. and what about lance armstrong and his "sports Cream"......
Well I guess u can judge me all u want but.
so u tell me becasue I show a before picture .. one that i look fragile with a after one that i look solid. I should have never used. ..... dude come on..:bruce3:
06-22-2008, 05:21 PM
I for one have a lot more respect for endurance atheletes like Lance Armstrong than pro bodybuilders like Ronnie Coleman. I'd love to see the big age try and even compete in a 5K!. He would probably drop dead within the first 20 minutes!.
06-22-2008, 05:25 PM
06-22-2008, 05:25 PM
06-22-2008, 05:26 PM
I totally agree with the "put some effort in" It really bothers me when people use steroids as a crutch. But i can say my peace about it, and move on.
The thing is we don't REALLY know anyones situation. It is easy for a bunch of 18-25 year olds to tell this guy he should be making those types of gains naturally, when he infact it may be very hard for him to make any gains at all.
06-22-2008, 05:42 PM
Ok. I will keep my post to the true nature of my thread. and that is My story of Before and After. SO if anybody whats to follow this thread and is intrested i will keep posting my results... as for all the sidebar. whatever. However AM is a place to Learn, Teach, and Lead so i understand if anybody wants to post their 2cents..
06-22-2008, 05:46 PM
06-22-2008, 06:52 PM
they are both champions in their own chosen sport
to say u'd love to see ronnie do a 5k run is like saying i'd love to see lance hit a 800lb squat, it ain't gonna happen.
i respect top level athletes whatever sport, it still takes the same amount of dedication to reach the top and stay there.
06-22-2008, 06:55 PM
06-22-2008, 08:04 PM
Man this thread just went silly. Like I said earlier I think you could've seen those results in the same time frame without the steroids, with that said I'm not about to give you a hard time for going down that route as long as you followed PCT and I'm not so sure anyone else should either.
I'm not so sure about you being a runner though...I mean you look really soft in that first picture, not what my experience of regular runners has been at all, especially ones that also do weights. Maybe your diet is too anti-carb or something? idk.
06-23-2008, 09:33 AM
06-23-2008, 09:37 AM
06-23-2008, 12:12 PM
Why would you promote someone obviously inexpirenced to take steriods?
This is just nuts to me... You want to preach a feel good sermon to someone who uses steriods way to soon, and could have had those same results natural?
Listen up, there can be serious side effects to using any prohormone pro-steriod. Try actually considering peoples health before playing "the buddy role" cause it feels nice.
Aren't these forums for promoting healthy educated ways of using substances anyway?
06-23-2008, 12:13 PM
A complete novice lifter has no business taking steroids.
Teach and Learn are motto's of this board. The critical criticism of OD is justified. Some are trying to teach OD that using steroids without any foundation or reaching your body's natural limits is dangerous. Hopefully, OD will learn that using steroids is OK, but should only be utilized later in a lifting career. Using steroids when you are just starting to work out will lead only to trouble.
jealous? Are you 14?
06-23-2008, 12:26 PM
06-23-2008, 12:52 PM
Even then I think a person should have a good reason to use something. For me when I reached 45 I found that the amount of effort I was putting in no longer returned the same results so I did a couple of cycles of 1Test/4ad transdermal. A couple years later after a long hiatus I found that it was even harder to make progress so I did a couple Halodrol cycles. This year I did a Furazadrol cycle to help me burn some fat. I don't plan on doing any more as it just isn't worth it when there are so many good herbal products. I don't know if my use was justified but I caved and used for those reasons. All I can say is if your going to use something make sure you think about your reasons for doing so. Why young people feel they have to use... well it's a bit of a mystery to me, just try and be more patient.
Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug
06-23-2008, 06:27 PM
Keep Posting.. Great results. Let the haters hate. Gonna do a cycle of Spawn (havoc/epistane + Extreme Tren) once I get a hold of a proper PCT.
Can you be a little more detailed with your log? Weight Gain, Strength gain, etc.
06-23-2008, 06:36 PM
06-23-2008, 07:39 PM
Just curious OP, in your after picture your skins completely red, did you get sunburned or get bad problems with high blood pressure?
This worries me as in the Epistane testimonials on NP guy mentioned being Irish and his skin turning from white to red while working out, he says this as if its a good thing, but typically that is not the case.
I didnt think it would give gypertension issues as its a dry compound, but with these new designer PH's its better safe than sorry.
Im asking as Im considering a havoc cycle in the near future.
06-23-2008, 08:24 PM
06-23-2008, 08:29 PM
06-23-2008, 10:35 PM
06-23-2008, 10:38 PM
blood pressure was fine.. however i only check it 1 a week. as for the redness. I was in the sun all day the day the pic was taken.
as for it being dry... I drank water and still felt thirsty quite often... I never felt any bloat like when you take creatine. Just a very Hard Pump all the DAM TIME>>> It is great.
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