Havoc Before and After Pics
- 06-20-2008, 08:26 PM
ok.. as for the lectures..... what ever.
However I do respect your opinion. so Thank you.
AS for my age I am 33 yrs old not 19. I have been lifting for 1 1/2 yrs. and have been a distance runner for the past 2..marathon runner. ...
As for the last 6mts I have been in the gym 6 day a week. Every day I work out a different body part... bi's. tri's, back, sholders, legs, cardio.
As for my diet. I lost over 10lbs before Havoc... Mostly around the waist.
- 06-20-2008, 08:54 PM
if those 6 days a week in the gym were lifting weights then IMHO it is way too much, this is not a lecture and i'm sharing by 18 years of lifting experience here.
in most cases, too much = too little
however thanks ogdlow for starting your thread and sharing your experience.
- 06-21-2008, 02:59 PM
Thanks Ogdlow for sharing your before & after photos! Those are always welcome dood!
06-21-2008, 04:34 PM
06-21-2008, 04:45 PM
Good gains, but seriously why are u taking steroids? Looks like you had never worked out before taking the Havoc. What ever happened to bodybuilding and putting on some solid muscle before working out? I mean ppl at AM always rip on the newbs taking steroids over there, but I see much more ppl on AM taking steroids who have NO right to.
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06-21-2008, 04:51 PM
18 years old (though a pretty arbitrary age) and you should be able to put whatever shyt in your body you darn well please. Roids, coke, crank, whatever. It's none of my or the governments dam business what you do with your body. (as long as you don't agress against someone else in the process.) You own it, you control what goes into it, just as you control the proceeds from its labor. /end rant
NICE Transformation. Keep up the good work. Keep your calories up during PCT and keep up the intensity and you should maintain your gains.
06-21-2008, 04:53 PM
man I must say It is great to hear feedback from you all. ....
Learn Teach Lead.
06-21-2008, 05:02 PM
and.. u are not ready or good enough or even worthy untill you have atleast 7+ yrs of lifting under your belt...
I do understand the effects.. the effects of what can happen if you only have 1 1/2yrs or 23 yrs of lifting.
I will say this yet again. I do respect everybody opinion and yes it does have vaule to my consideration. U guys would not have posted a comment if you were not just tring to look out for me..
BUT!!!! dont make this thread a lecture.
06-21-2008, 05:05 PM
He said he was a runner. What is wrong with being an endurance athlete?. Do people somehow think that you have to be a bodybuilder or powerlifter to benefit from a steroid cycle?. I don't understand that mentality.
06-21-2008, 05:09 PM
Well Put....r. What is wrong with being an endurance athlete?. Do people somehow think that you have to be a bodybuilder or powerlifter to benefit from a steroid cycle?. I don't understand that mentality.
06-21-2008, 09:43 PM
Who cares, he's going to do it reguardless of what anyones says, hell he already did.... What is the point of picking him apart for his choice to cycle early? Who cares, he ran a cycle, and made awsome gains .. On that note, "dude, nice gains, looking great". MHO
06-21-2008, 09:52 PM
06-21-2008, 10:04 PM
06-21-2008, 10:32 PM
It appears as though he is flexing some in the second pic esp in the trap/pec areas. I wouldn't be surprised if the second pic was taken right after a full body workout to get the pumped look. Lighting also appears a bit better in the 2nd pic. Just my opinion. I mean there were definite gains, however not as much as it looks though.
06-21-2008, 11:19 PM
06-22-2008, 08:20 AM
yeh. also my tan makes me look more cut
06-22-2008, 08:21 AM
06-22-2008, 08:41 AM
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Obviously, you shouldn't have even conjured up the thought process to put your finger on that button that says, "Purchase Now" for a long, long, long, and once more long, long time. With that being said, you've already done it - I just wouldn't do it again for a long, long, long and once more long, long time....seriously, a long time.
06-22-2008, 01:29 PM
06-22-2008, 01:57 PM
I don't understand your reply to my post. What is "ready"?. My point was that everyone seems to think that only bodybuilders/powerlifters benefit from steroid use. Hasn't anyone heard of endurance atheletes using "gear"?. Just because the guy doesn't appear to have a bodybuilders body doesn't make him any less of an athlete. There are people that want to increase the strength slow twitch fibers as opposed to fast twitch. We all have different goals. You assume that the orignal posters goal was to gain massive amounts of strength and increase the muscle mass.....
Why the one-sided point of view?. The original poster is not a teenager. That would be different. Sure maybe he could have waited a few years, but really would that make much of difference?.
06-22-2008, 02:13 PM
He didnt look athletic in any way shape or form pre-usage. That is my point. Since when were athletic athletes pudgy and scrawny? Hell i hate to call him out like that but really? Lets see those wheels. He's a marathoner and he is only interested in showing us is upper body gains
06-22-2008, 02:25 PM
Nice gains and all, but yeah you looked like you had never seen a weight before havoc, and in the shape you started in you could have made those gains VERY easily naturally. You might want to consider that in the future. Either way though, you had to work hard and train and eat for that type of development, so I commend you on that. Noticeable improvement.
06-22-2008, 02:32 PM
06-22-2008, 02:39 PM
This **** is getting ridiculous..
If it were a respected, long time member, who posted this, everyone would be kissing his ass. I see logs all the time of people doing PH cycles, and they don't look like they are near their potential, and should continue on naturally. But because they are long time, or avid posters here, their logs hit 10+ pages of praise...
I'll be the first to admit, i have done a cycle or two before i ever should have or was ready. And looking back, i wish i didn't, but it was my decision to make.
I understand you want to put the potential health risks, and other issues out there, for others to see. But at the end of the day, people are going to make their own decisions, and shouldn't be faulted for that.
06-22-2008, 02:44 PM
06-22-2008, 03:07 PM
06-22-2008, 03:11 PM
Nice gains man. Keep the cals up to reduce losing them
06-22-2008, 03:11 PM
I think bottom line is that there are/can bad sides from the use of PH. ...What is "ready"?. My point was that everyone seems to think that only bodybuilders/powerlifters benefit from steroid use. Hasn't anyone heard of endurance atheletes using "gear"?.
Hell Even the celeberties are using HGH at the age of 50+. Men and women WTF.. And Im sure that all those baseball players arent bodybuilders.... ummmm. and what about lance armstrong and his "sports Cream"......
Well I guess u can judge me all u want but.
so u tell me becasue I show a before picture .. one that i look fragile with a after one that i look solid. I should have never used. ..... dude come on..:bruce3:
06-22-2008, 03:21 PM
I for one have a lot more respect for endurance atheletes like Lance Armstrong than pro bodybuilders like Ronnie Coleman. I'd love to see the big age try and even compete in a 5K!. He would probably drop dead within the first 20 minutes!.
06-22-2008, 03:25 PM
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06-22-2008, 03:25 PM
06-22-2008, 03:26 PM
I totally agree with the "put some effort in" It really bothers me when people use steroids as a crutch. But i can say my peace about it, and move on.
The thing is we don't REALLY know anyones situation. It is easy for a bunch of 18-25 year olds to tell this guy he should be making those types of gains naturally, when he infact it may be very hard for him to make any gains at all.
06-22-2008, 03:42 PM
Ok. I will keep my post to the true nature of my thread. and that is My story of Before and After. SO if anybody whats to follow this thread and is intrested i will keep posting my results... as for all the sidebar. whatever. However AM is a place to Learn, Teach, and Lead so i understand if anybody wants to post their 2cents..
06-22-2008, 03:46 PM
06-22-2008, 04:52 PM
they are both champions in their own chosen sport
to say u'd love to see ronnie do a 5k run is like saying i'd love to see lance hit a 800lb squat, it ain't gonna happen.
i respect top level athletes whatever sport, it still takes the same amount of dedication to reach the top and stay there.
06-22-2008, 04:55 PM
06-22-2008, 06:04 PM
Man this thread just went silly. Like I said earlier I think you could've seen those results in the same time frame without the steroids, with that said I'm not about to give you a hard time for going down that route as long as you followed PCT and I'm not so sure anyone else should either.
I'm not so sure about you being a runner though...I mean you look really soft in that first picture, not what my experience of regular runners has been at all, especially ones that also do weights. Maybe your diet is too anti-carb or something? idk.
06-23-2008, 07:33 AM
06-23-2008, 07:37 AM
06-23-2008, 10:12 AM
Why would you promote someone obviously inexpirenced to take steriods?
This is just nuts to me... You want to preach a feel good sermon to someone who uses steriods way to soon, and could have had those same results natural?
Listen up, there can be serious side effects to using any prohormone pro-steriod. Try actually considering peoples health before playing "the buddy role" cause it feels nice.
Aren't these forums for promoting healthy educated ways of using substances anyway?
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