[sp447]

Is because of stupid people. People who take a certain product and have no idea what they are doing. Example I work at a Vitamin Shoppe. Some kid came in to the store last night and told us that his package had been shrinking up on him, and puffy nipples.

Told us he came in about 8 weeks earlier and bought a few bottles of Methyl-1D and apparently was "unaware" that he needed PCT. He abruptly stopped after 6 weeks of use with no AI's on hand. He didn't even know he needed them. He came in yesterday and cussed up a storm telling us about his misfortunes like it was our fault. Had he done the research he would've known that PCT was required. He's now threatening to call our DM and "The Better Business Bureau"

Retard.

Just last week I opened the cabinet for a guy (looked to be in his late 20's) and looked like he spent too long in the tanning bed asked me for the Methyl-1D out of the cabinet. I asked him if it was any good.

He said "Yeah I've been taking it for about a 6 months now"

I said "Non Stop"

He's like "......Yeah" "It's great Stuff"

now when he finally decides to stop taking it or realizes he made a mistake, he'll probably come back to us or call LG Customer Service and complain when he can't get off or have kids.


Then a few weeks ago some kid came in looked like he was in high school, walked up to the counter and asked me "Do you guys sell Steroids?"

I felt like saying "Yeah in the back of the store there, through that curtain but keep it on the DL, the password is Sauce Me Up"

I swear to god some people are so ****ing stupid and the reason great products are discontinued because people either

A) Abuse Them
B) Don't Know how to use them
C) Use them to cheat

You wouldn't believe how dumb people are

[Rodja]

I met a guy that used M1T for months at a time without PCT.

[mindgame]

its a sad thing to read about or even hear. but people are stupid and would put anything in there bodies w.o asking questions. Or maybe sometimes ther just scared to ask because there afraid to get flamed on it or something. But still its their fault and its a sad thing to have happen to anyone. but really do you guys sell steroids? lmao that was funny

[sp447]

Before I started working there some kid called over the phone sounded like he was about to die.

Told us he downed an entire bottle of Redline Concentrate. What an idiot. You know there are these things called direction written on the bottle. And they are there for a reason

[mindgame]

wow....im still waiting to meet someone that you guys tell about.

[imprezivr6]

shifty marketing doesn't help...

[sp447]

they're around. But what confuses me is that they call us before they call a doctor or a hospital

[Rodja]

I want to feel sympathy for these people, but everyone is responsible for their own actions. If they choose to use a product without researching it, then they run the risk of having some negative sides from it.

[Trauma1]

Believe me when i say that i see plenty of these type of people walking through the E.R. everyday. There are SO many people that have utterly no regard for their own bodies or anyone else that it's almost insane. Seriously, the stories i could tell you guys.

Sometimes i just have to shake my head and think to myself......Wow! Maybe ignorance really is bliss.......

[RenegadeRows]

The desire for a great looking body taken too far is the same as anything.

The desire for a high in a drug will leave people dead, in jail, etc.

The desire for money will lead people to rob banks, houses and commit murder.

The desire for muscular body will lead people to pop pills and inject things into their body without even knowing what it is.

Knowledge is power!

For everyone abusing OTC hormonal products, there's at least 5 dudes on the highschool football team injecting themselves and knowing nothing about PCT

[Erik2003]

Ok I'll bite...

sp44& -- My fist question is why did your store sell to the kid if you know he knows nothing about the product? Its kind of like selling guns to someone who has no idea how to use it. I'll bet if your salespeople took a few minutes and asked him if he had his PCT set up you would have learned no. Instead of selling him a $40 bottle, you could have educated your customer, gained his loyalty, and made a $100 sale of additional PCT products. Good business has to be earned.

As far as Rodja -- you appear to blame the customer who may be lacking info. What about the business? Someone sold an obviously underage kid some PH to make a buck. What about seller responsibility? After all the store could have said no because the kid does not know how to safely take the product. I see alot of this in lawsuits. Everyone fails along the stream of commerce.

Remember the reason the PH are banned is because someone always sells to a kid, who gets injured, and then the parents have to step in. It was the same for steroids, PHs and everything else.

If your going to sell the stuff, please ensure your customer knowns how to take it. Accept the responsibility and become a good business.

[Trauma1]

Originally Posted by Erik2003

Ok I'll bite...

sp44& -- My fist question is why did your store sell to the kid if you know he knows nothing about the product? Its kind of like selling guns to someone who has no idea how to use it. I'll bet if your salespeople took a few minutes and asked him if he had his PCT set up you would have learned no. Instead of selling him a $40 bottle, you could have educated your customer, gained his loyalty, and made a $100 sale of additional PCT products. Good business has to be earned.

As far as Rodja -- you appear to blame the customer who may be lacking info. What about the business? Someone sold an obviously underage kid some PH to make a buck. What about seller responsibility? After all the store could have said no because the kid does not know how to safely take the product. I see alot of this in lawsuits. Everyone fails along the stream of commerce.

Remember the reason the PH are banned is because someone always sells to a kid, who gets injured, and then the parents have to step in. It was the same for steroids, PHs and everything else.

If your going to sell the stuff, please ensure your customer knowns how to take it. Accept the responsibility and become a good business.

I can certainly see your points, and they are very good ones. However, there is much more to the arguement than just the good buisness aspect(which i completly agree with your statements btw).

You can tell some people all day long how to do something the right way, and in the end some will do what they want anyway........ regardless of your best efforts offered. I see this EVERY SINGLE DAY in medicine, and this type of behavior certainly applies to all facets of life. As an adult, you're responsible for your own actions.


The bottom line is, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink....

[sp447]

Well for the first customer it's kind of stupid to tell the guy he needed a PCT after he'd been off cycle for about 2 weeks. I even told him he should talk to a doctor if it was that bad but he was intent on blaming us. I didn't even pimp the product on him. He just came in and asked for it.

I told the tanned guy about PCT but he said "No I'm cool" me and my c-worker Tyler tried to tell him about it but he wasn't having it. Seemed like the sense of well being was clouding his judgement plus he could barely pay for everything he picked out.

Secondly. We don't card every person that comes in. Most of the people that come into the store don't even look at the Products in the case. They usually come in for Fish Oil, or Multi's or Calcium. Which is why the case and all the stuff like Creatine and NO are all at the back of the store. Because that's not where most of our business is. And most people don't venture back there because everything is foreign to them, it scares them. We only get maybe 4 people a week who ask for things from the case

The people that do come in for stuff like M1D, MMDV2, stuff like that they don't even ask for assistance, they just ask us to get it out of the cabinet. You figure they just heard about it from some guy at the gym and without even reading up on it they just go and buy it.

Usually when I ask people how old they are or if I try to tell them about PCT they think I'm coming off as overzealous or pushy. When in reality I could give a **** less because unlike GNC we don't make commission.

I agree we should have to card people for it, because they are a danger if not used properly.

[spigot]

Originally Posted by imprezivr6

shifty marketing doesn't help...

Agreed 100%