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    Waxy Maize Starch vs. Dextrose


    I've been doing some pretty extensive research over the past day or two about Waxy Maize Starch as an addition to my post workout shake. However, I cannot find any solid evidence that it will be any more effective than dextrose. If anyone has any literature lying around that can show the benefits of WMZ versus dextrose, I would greatly appreciate it. Or you can just post your opinion, although something to back up opinion is requested.

    This is all because I'm about to place a NP order again, and was leaning towards 2lbs of NOW Dextrose, as it's effective and much cheaper.

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    bump for a good question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabisco View Post
    I've been doing some pretty extensive research over the past day or two about Waxy Maize Starch as an addition to my post workout shake. However, I cannot find any solid evidence that it will be any more effective than dextrose. If anyone has any literature lying around that can show the benefits of WMZ versus dextrose, I would greatly appreciate it. Or you can just post your opinion, although something to back up opinion is requested.

    This is all because I'm about to place a NP order again, and was leaning towards 2lbs of NOW Dextrose, as it's effective and much cheaper.
    I would go for the dextrose... I am using bulk amylocel (wms) right now and I really don't notice a difference between it and dextrose. It is about a dollar more per pound too...

    FWIW I wouldn't add it to your PW shake I would take it straight up with water first and then have your shake like 10-15 minutes later.

    Dextrose in the shake is nastiness (texture wise)
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    agreed - a bit too much like floor-sweepings, texture-wise.

    Am awaiting my trial qty of WMS, so opinions still forthcoming
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    WMS is widely misused, which has skewed some peoples results. By this, I mean that it should not combined with peptide-bound AAs and should only be used with free-form AAs.

    A good example would be to use the following:
    70g WMS
    25g BCAA/EAA
    5g of ________ (e.g. creatine)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BodyWizard View Post
    agreed - a bit too much like floor-sweepings, texture-wise.

    Am awaiting my trial qty of WMS, so opinions still forthcoming
    Ive heard of people getting some wild pump from WMS, specifically vitargo, but I dont feel anything from what I'm taking. Although I use it for carbs, not a pump. lol
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    My post work out shake is
    70g WMS
    40g Dextrose
    10g Bcaa's
    6g Creatine
    The WMS is from true Protein.com and is flavored but not sweetened, The dextrose dissolves quickly and sweetens it. It is rather tasty.
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    Here is a good discussion where Bobo argues there is no need to use it over dextrose or even malto for that matter.

    Waxy Maize Starch Craze
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    Thanks for the link Joebo. That was a lot of good information. And a lot of Bobo back when he would do a lot more chatting about his methods of training.
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    i made a thread similar to this recently, might want to check it out.

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    Thanks Ozarka. However, now I feel a little stupid for my lack of searching.
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    the only real benefit i got from wms versus dex/malto was the lack of bloating that i used to suffer from dex/malto.

    besides that not much else.
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    The main difference I noticed versus dextrose was that I was way thirstier quicker and I definitely got a pump and a bit of energy buzz from it. The results happened faster than dextrose. For me the results gradually tapered off after about 2 weeks usage. I was consuming 35 grams pre and post-workouts.
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    My motivation for trying it is simple: B5150 spoke *very* highly of it. IMO, his opinions are not trivial; if he thinks so well of it, I have no problem trying it out for myself. I'm always open to low-GI carb sources, and like I say this one come very highly recommended.

    Should get here tomorrow

    (PS - WMS may *not* be low-GI: Haven't found the GI number for it, but I've generally been lucky w/ long, complex carbs (I find they are *effectively* low-GI, & I tolerate them well).)
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    There's some conflicting info on carbs postworkout so it's up to you to decide if you really want to use them. I would personally use them pre. I noticed a mild increase in pump with wms but not much else aside from that. People seem to tolerate carbs to different extents and thus wms may be better than dex or malto or it may not. It's kind of like wpc and wpi to an extent. WMS is relatively cheap so you can try it out and see if it's worth the additional cost. Or you can stick with dex as it seems to be working well for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    WMS is widely misused, which has skewed some peoples results. By this, I mean that it should not combined with peptide-bound AAs and should only be used with free-form AAs.

    A good example would be to use the following:
    70g WMS
    25g BCAA/EAA
    5g of ________ (e.g. creatine)

    peptide bound AAs is like whey?
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    i've been adding about 50 grams wms to my shake post workout shake of 40 grams protein and five grams creatine, I am not sure if it is a waste of money or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    WMS is widely misused, which has skewed some peoples results. By this, I mean that it should not combined with peptide-bound AAs and should only be used with free-form AAs.
    Care to elaborate, bro? Wot's the, uhhh, deal re: peptide-bound v. free-form? As regards the WMS, that is....
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    Quote Originally Posted by BodyWizard View Post
    Care to elaborate, bro? Wot's the, uhhh, deal re: peptide-bound v. free-form? As regards the WMS, that is....
    Peptide-bound AA are found in whole proteins (e.g. animal flesh, powders) and Free-form are individual AA (e.g. BCAA, EAA).
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    Got *that* part (and thanks!) - but why the caution about which to use w/ WMS? There IS a reason, right? I'd like to know that reason, if you can tell me.
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    50g WMS
    3 scoops xtend
    Tsp creatine
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    i was thinking of doing complex carbs with my whey PWO. i might throw some bee honey into the shake to sweeten it and i'm also going to be consuming 10 grams of bulk bcaas (w/juice)

    i've gotten a lot of recommendations encouraging using Dextrose PWO. there is always the option of wms but i haven't come across much substantial evidence that WMS is the better option. i could be overlooking something though.


    the honey will stay tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BodyWizard View Post
    Got *that* part (and thanks!) - but why the caution about which to use w/ WMS? There IS a reason, right? I'd like to know that reason, if you can tell me.
    Peptide-bound AA slows down the speed of the WMS, which defeats its purpose.
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    isn't WMS less likely to give you bloat as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Peptide-bound AA slows down the speed of the WMS, which defeats its purpose.
    Thanks, dude!
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