Concerns with the supplement forum
- 06-05-2008, 05:30 PM
Concerns with the supplement forum
Maybe nobody really cares, but I have noticed a lot of guests coming in and out of these forums with nothing but the ideal that "supplements are the number 1 thing on you bodybuilding list" I read these posts of people hopping from one to another to another craving the same thing "what the magic supplements promise" not ever getting it. People are becoming less focused on the power of Food and Right exercise and the importance of sleep. If these aren't in line..supplements won't do jack. and most supplements out there really DON'T do anything. They might make you think you look bigger or make you think you feel something, but chances are thats just you.
I've been lifting for about 2 solid years and will admit the first year i was hopping ALL OVER GOOGLE and BB.com searching and asking what supps did what or which was the best. To tell you the truth, i have seen more growth going completely off supplements besides protein and have seen great results. This DEPENDENCY the beginner Bodybuilding world is forming is not good, it supplies false hope, and will ultimately hold those people back. Yeah you can all say **** YOU JSHERBRO SUPPS WORK FOR ME, but...is it really the supps? give yourself a test, go off of everything, for a month, Eat like a monster, eat clean, and train balls to the walls, and tell me if there is any drop in performance? anyway, i'm just saying, i'm tired of seeing 500 new threads popping up asking what is the best supp for mass or cutting or watever. Its ridiculous, people go to ANABOLIC MINDS to LEARN, TEACH and LEAD. Lets not deceive anybody that might click on this URL. Peace out
- 06-05-2008, 05:36 PM
So true. It does get frustrating. There should be a rule where you must have 20 posts before starting a thread. lol.
- 06-05-2008, 05:54 PM
yeah like i just saw a thread "what is the best supp for six pack abs?" ....i mean come on. thats like.....what pill will make my arms grow 2 inches.
06-05-2008, 06:12 PM
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06-05-2008, 07:17 PM
Muscle Pharm Rep
06-05-2008, 07:32 PM
i've always liked this comparison of food to sups.....
FOOD: THE ULTIMATE BODY TRANSFORMATION TOOL
Let me be perfectly honest with you: nothing can affect body composition as
fast and as drastically as the food you eat, not even drugs! Let’s talk fat loss
for example, a substance like synthetic T3 (e.g. cytomel) or T4 (e.g.
synthroid) can boost metabolism and daily energy expenditure by around
10%. If you are anywhere between 175 and 225lbs we’re talking about 200-
300 calories per day which is basically the amount of calories in ˝ cup of
rice measured dry or of a bagel. When we consider that your average fast
food hamburger can provide anywhere from 750 to 1000 calorie and that an
hour of cardio will “burn” an average of 450 to 500 calories; it’s quite easy
to see how simply controlling our food intake can have a on
how our body looks.
06-05-2008, 07:36 PM
guys, this is happening in gyms, in magazines and on the internet including not just forums but also supplement selling websites.
in part - yes it's up to the vets to help out as best they can however it's part also of being a noob
sometimes noobs won't even listen to the best advice and sometimes have to get burned before they learn what's good and what's crap
as with anything including threads and posts here at AM, you have to through the sh*t to find the gems of information that will help you in the gym and with health in general
general rule of thumb is to look for the commonalities (the sharing of common attributes) with what a lot of people are relating to, it's up to the intervidual to determine what is right or wrong
misguided information is happening everywhere, learn or burn is what i say but at the end of the day experience is always the best teacher of all.
correct form + correct diet and adequate rest will always beat a "miracle supplement" with crap form, crap diet & crap rest.
06-05-2008, 07:58 PM
While were on the subject, do any of you guys have a friend who swears that muscletech, bsn, etc are the best supp companies by far even though they have never tried anything of theres? I got a buddy who idolizes these companies so I decided to put some protein powder in an old NO Xplode container and let him try a scoop. He was running around like a mad man saying what a pump he had then I told him it was just protein and he immediately lost all his pump lol.
Muscle Pharm Rep
06-05-2008, 08:06 PM
06-05-2008, 08:20 PM
Same thing with these jackasses different scenario but the same thing.
06-05-2008, 09:13 PM
A lot of us feel this way. Always remember that most forums are either directly sponsored by supp. companies and retailers, or at least get support via advertisements for said companies. So, there's no practical way to get 100% away from this without potentially burning bridges so to speak, and with all the special interests involved, that's not likely to happen. Combine that with people who really do believe their supplements of choice make a big difference, both beginner and veteran alike, and it makes it even harder to convince people to get back to basics.
Unfortunately, there are also company reps who don't openly display their company ties. I've seen people who are labeled as reps on some forums and not on others, etc, including here at AM.
06-05-2008, 09:27 PM
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06-05-2008, 10:05 PM
06-05-2008, 10:18 PM
I'll comment that I'm not a good role model for a noob as far as my routine and supplement intake levels.
Look at my pictures thread. I went from 130 or so lbs in Jan03 to mid 160's or so by mid/late 2005 with very little supplementation (no hormones period).
I had little definition - biceps were a big blob - and a much wider waist than now.
Now 3 years late I've really transformed my body with the help of a bunch of really supplements.
There are non-hormonal supplements that flat out work. Period.
I'd agree I think the noobs are too focused on supplements/hormones and haven't given themselves time to bulk or cut with improved diet and training.
Dunno that I'd flame them all that much.
I mean really, there are WORSE things in life than buying one order of $1,036 from Nutraplanet.
06-05-2008, 10:20 PM
I gained 30lbs in 2 weeks on Jay's stack dosed as follows:1200ius of HGH, 1000mgs Test-prop, 80mgs Dbol, 600mgs of Nandrolone decanoate and 10gms of insulin everyday all built around dat der CELL-TECH!! Da uder stuff helpt ah lil bit but I culd tell itz wuz da Cell-Tech mackin me swell to do max!!!!
06-05-2008, 10:26 PM
06-05-2008, 10:39 PM
I, although not new to lifting, but havent done it in 3 years having recently got back into almost fell for some supplements I shouldnt have. Lucky for me I like to study what I buy alot. I almost bought PH without knowing it, do you know how bad that could have been? I research for like 2 weeks the ingrediants in products now. Not to mention now that I found AM, i know there are plenty of people who are more mature in the field I can take the questions to.
I am not up for any PH, though I am starting up on a nice supplement stack AN, I know its going to moreover what food I eat as to how well the products will work. As well as how dedicated and hard I train and lift.
Water intake is overlooked by alot of supplement takers too... And people who take thermogenics then only consume 40 ounces of water and a couple cokes. MY water intake is about 148.
Here is the thing. I am watching the news. there are KIDS dropping dead from a blown artery or other damage done by some of these real supplements. Kids in HS taking PHs and screing up their bodies because they are only 16 or 17. Not to count the mental and emotional damage done because now their life can be altered.
And as for muscletech....I agree that its about useless....Cool art gets kids attention is all.
The promise of looking good fast, is costing some unkowing people alot, and even if they should know better to do research...they dont deserve what some of them are going through.
Thanks also to those of you who are trying to help people.
Last edited by Zero V; 06-05-2008 at 10:41 PM. Reason: Thought some more.
06-06-2008, 12:01 AM
test,winny,dbol, and another crap (i forgot :P ) and they do it to get big. Meanwhile im just about 10 pounds under him in terms of overall mass size. Kinda pathetic that hes on so much **** and only has about 10 pounds more than me.
06-06-2008, 12:05 AM
06-06-2008, 03:47 AM
1. diet-lots of supps that help me keep diet in check. 2. exercise-lots of supps that get me motivated to hit the gym. 3. sleep-lots of supps that help me sleep better. the key is they help you, it's still up to you to eat right, exercise regularly, get as much sleep and rest as possible. in todays world it is not always possible to do these things. supplements can play an important role if used correctly.
06-06-2008, 12:23 PM
Once a certain potential has been reached however, there are many good supps out there that will really help. I am not against supplementation just that I am for the right supplement for the right person at the right time.
06-06-2008, 12:34 PM
06-06-2008, 12:55 PM
06-06-2008, 01:03 PM
You and I have been around bodybuilding for a long time and we know our bodies very well, we get a pass.
06-06-2008, 01:10 PM
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