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  1. Tiredness...please help


    Hey guys...So I have suffered from depression for the last four years, and I don't necessarily get "depressed" the symptom I feel most and hate is constant tiredness. I've been on different medications for it, but none of them have helped. I think back to the energy I had when I was in high school and I feel so tired compared to then. I'm only about to turn 22!!! I decided to quit taking medication a couple of days ago because I'm sick of it not doing anything for me.
    So my question is, what tried and true supplements would make a noticable significant difference in my energy? When I say energy I mean a mental energy and clarity...The only thing I've taken that gives me significant energy all around for my workouts is RPM, and while I definately value high energy workouts, I'm looking for remedies in my all around life for this. Yes I've searched on the forum for energy supps, but in the past a lot of that stuff didn't do anything for me. So I'm asking if anyone's been in a similar situation what reccomendations do you have?
    P.S. Got blood work done, everything checks out in that area...
    Thanks guys, I just really need some help with this I'm so beyond sick of it. I appreciate it!!


  2. Perhaps you need to look into sleep supplements? Poor sleep can ruin your energy all day long. How do you find your quality of sleep?
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  3. I'd say my sleep quality is pretty good. I take melatonin probably 4 or 5 days a week and get great sleep on it...I rarely wake up during the night. I just know my quality of sleep was pretty poor during high school yet I had plenty of energy then...it sucks...

  4. I've tried St. John's Wort. It is so-so..

    Melatonin makes me feel high. I'm kinda in that same situation. Getting occasional depression from time to time.

  5. nparisi, i have delt with what you have described, and i have been diagnosed with bipolar with manic depression. what meds have you tried so far??? also, in my case i probobly should have had my hormones checked at an early age. at 21 i found out i wasnt even in the range for testosterone, maybe never had good levels. this could be your problem. as for psychotic meds, it took me 2-3 yrs before they got those right.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by bigironkiller View Post
    nparisi, i have delt with what you have described, and i have been diagnosed with bipolar with manic depression. what meds have you tried so far??? also, in my case i probobly should have had my hormones checked at an early age. at 21 i found out i wasnt even in the range for testosterone, maybe never had good levels. this could be your problem. as for psychotic meds, it took me 2-3 yrs before they got those right.
    I have no idea as to my hormones, I haven't had them checked, just generic blood work I think...
    I'll have to try to remember the different meds I've been on...I'm just drawing a blank right now, ha. I'll ask my mom I'm sure she'll remember...

  7. To help with positive mood/outlook as well as energy, I've found that Adaptagenic herbs and Amino Acids help me tremendously.

    Bacopa is great for mood/outlook and is one of my favorites.

    Ashwaganda helps too, but is different, seems more anxiolitic/relaxing to me.

    Rhodiola Rosea gives good energy as well as some mood help, but possitive energy for the most part.

    ALCAR give a nice steady energy and helps mood too when taken 2-3 times a day at 500-1000mg.

    Tyrosine is nice for a real kick of natural energy.

    Tryotophan calms and steadies mood very well.

    Magnesium citrate also works very well to calm and handle stress/depression better.

    Make sure you get high enough amounts of B-Complex throughout the day, preferably in the co-enzymated forms. Depression and stress in general can cause the body to use these up faster than normal.

    The sugguestions for hormone checks are very good. Low T can cause depression or exacerbate it. Thyroid hormones also play an important role in mood regulation.

    I hope these and other sugguestions help you. I know they have done me a world of good in getting my emotions/mood under control the past few years.

  8. We don't really know all the variables in your life, so it could just be that the neurotransmitters that keep you alert & focused are depleted, your adrenal glands may be fatigued from constant over-stimulation due to a taxing amount of stress, or you may simply have developed a food allergy and are just tired from the reaction to it and in turn, you're stressed that you're always tired. Have you messed with prohormones? You could just be in the 'low zone' for testosterone. Have you taken a product by ALRI that claims to be natural? They're known to have steroids in their formulas (ex. Jungle Warfare: The Natural Testosterone Booster w/ complimentary DMT).
    Freedom means nothing here.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    We don't really know all the variables in your life, so it could just be that the neurotransmitters that keep you alert & focused are depleted, your adrenal glands may be fatigued from constant over-stimulation due to a taxing amount of stress, or you may simply have developed a food allergy and are just tired from the reaction to it and in turn, you're stressed that you're always tired. Have you messed with prohormones? You could just be in the 'low zone' for testosterone. Have you taken a product by ALRI that claims to be natural? They're known to have steroids in their formulas (ex. Jungle Warfare: The Natural Testosterone Booster w/ complimentary DMT).
    Nope, I've never touched any PHs. I've never tried jungle warfare or any other ALRI product. The only products I've taken that I can remember in the last couple years (aside from basic protein/creatine/aminos etc) have been: PowerFULL, X-Factor, Gakic(yes I'm embarassed), Leviathan Reloaded, and pre workout supps like NOExplode/White Flood/etc.
    Do you think I should get my testorone levels checked?? As far as a food allergy...I'm not sure. I know those can develop anytime so who knows, but I know it wasn't a problem for me like 4 years ago. Any other advice F.O.G.? Any other information I could give you about myself that might help? Thank you, I do appreciate it...I'm just getting so fed up man...

  10. What's goin' on nparisi? Sorry I took so long to get back in this thread, holmes. Yeah, it could be that you just have depleted neurotransmitter levels and need some replenishing.

    First and foremost, if I were you I wouldn't let it upset you right now that you're tired. It is sometimes a part of life and it can and will be fixed, so it's all good. This sounds weird, but it is definitely the first step to recovery from depression: Forgive yourself, because it's not your fault. You worked really hard at whatever it was that caused your body to become tired and overwhelmed.

    The best combo of remedies that is potent and yet cost effective, is DL-Phenylalanine, L-Tyrosine, Taurine, Reset-AD, and some form of choline (ex. choline bitartrate or alpha-GPC, etc). It is also a good choice to supplement with a low dose (50mg) of 5-HTP at night to aid in serotonergic regeneration.

    Set an alarm and get on a schedule. Keep this schedule everyday and force yourself to get up and go through your day. By using the supplements, you may notice that the process gets easier and easier, faster than normal.

    This strategy along with a decent diet that is above your maintainence level cals, the absence of stims, and a sound effort to not get annoyed at your body, etc. this regimen will get you back on track and headed in the right direction!

    If you're still interested, I can help you with doses for each of the supps.
    Freedom means nothing here.

  11. If your looking for alternative medicines or herbal remedies why don't you try seeing somone who is into hollistic medicine.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    If you're still interested, I can help you with doses for each of the supps.
    Yeah bro, I am definately interested. I have started to try to get myself on a schedule for summer and avoid sleeping in. It's gotten ridiculous a few days so far (waking up at like 2pm haha) but for the most part I am definately starting to get my body on a schedule. My diet is pretty clean. Oh, and I should add that I am and have been on a cut for the past 2 months. Do you think I should drop that and go above maintenance cals???
    P.S. Thanks for the feedback, I just know getting past this I can actually reach my full potential not only in the gym but in school as well...

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    What's goin' on nparisi? Sorry I took so long to get back in this thread, holmes. Yeah, it could be that you just have depleted neurotransmitter levels and need some replenishing.

    First and foremost, if I were you I wouldn't let it upset you right now that you're tired. It is sometimes a part of life and it can and will be fixed, so it's all good. This sounds weird, but it is definitely the first step to recovery from depression: Forgive yourself, because it's not your fault. You worked really hard at whatever it was that caused your body to become tired and overwhelmed.

    The best combo of remedies that is potent and yet cost effective, is DL-Phenylalanine, L-Tyrosine, Taurine, Reset-AD, and some form of choline (ex. choline bitartrate or alpha-GPC, etc). It is also a good choice to supplement with a low dose (50mg) of 5-HTP at night to aid in serotonergic regeneration.

    Set an alarm and get on a schedule. Keep this schedule everyday and force yourself to get up and go through your day. By using the supplements, you may notice that the process gets easier and easier, faster than normal.

    This strategy along with a decent diet that is above your maintainence level cals, the absence of stims, and a sound effort to not get annoyed at your body, etc. this regimen will get you back on track and headed in the right direction!

    If you're still interested, I can help you with doses for each of the supps.
    reset ad has worked wonders for me, i highly recommend it. an anti-cort like lean extreme might be helpful in countering harmful effects of stress. both of these work well, and are worth their price tags.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  14. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    reset ad has worked wonders for me, i highly recommend it. an anti-cort like lean extreme might be helpful in countering harmful effects of stress. both of these work well, and are worth their price tags.
    Awesome BigT! Reset AD is a very good blend. I wouldn't recommend Lean Extreme quite yet, for it reduces systemic cortisol and cortisol holds importance in the waking cycles and energy, etc.

    Something like 11-OXO may be right up your alley. Honest to God, it may sound crazy but knowing what I know after using it now and how it makes me feel, it is a sure thing to get you feeling better and secondarily it will help you lean a bit.

    11-OXO has no side effects and it is not suppressive at 4 caps per day. It gives feelings of well-being, it supports the CNS, and it promotes natural energy and function. 1 Reset AD with breakfast, 1 with lunch, and 2 11-OXO caps with breakfast and 2 caps with lunch would be perfect.

    As for amino acid therapy, 500mg DL-Phenylalanine and 500mg L-Tyrosine before breakfast, lunch, and your next meal. Taurine powder is tasteless pretty much and should be taken in the morning and later on at a dose of around 5 grams per dose. Take a dose pre-workout if it's a workout day.

    Take omega 3 sources too . You'll be good.
    Freedom means nothing here.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by nparisi View Post
    Yeah bro, I am definately interested. I have started to try to get myself on a schedule for summer and avoid sleeping in. It's gotten ridiculous a few days so far (waking up at like 2pm haha) but for the most part I am definately starting to get my body on a schedule. My diet is pretty clean. Oh, and I should add that I am and have been on a cut for the past 2 months. Do you think I should drop that and go above maintenance cals???
    P.S. Thanks for the feedback, I just know getting past this I can actually reach my full potential not only in the gym but in school as well...
    Oh... and indeed bring your cals to maintainence level.
    Freedom means nothing here.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    Awesome BigT! Reset AD is a very good blend. I wouldn't recommend Lean Extreme quite yet, for it reduces systemic cortisol and cortisol holds importance in the waking cycles and energy, etc.

    Something like 11-OXO may be right up your alley. Honest to God, it may sound crazy but knowing what I know after using it now and how it makes me feel, it is a sure thing to get you feeling better and secondarily it will help you lean a bit.

    11-OXO has no side effects and it is not suppressive at 4 caps per day. It gives feelings of well-being, it supports the CNS, and it promotes natural energy and function. 1 Reset AD with breakfast, 1 with lunch, and 2 11-OXO caps with breakfast and 2 caps with lunch would be perfect.

    As for amino acid therapy, 500mg DL-Phenylalanine and 500mg L-Tyrosine before breakfast, lunch, and your next meal. Taurine powder is tasteless pretty much and should be taken in the morning and later on at a dose of around 5 grams per dose. Take a dose pre-workout if it's a workout day.

    Take omega 3 sources too . You'll be good.
    fog, you the man. forgot how good i felt on mmv2/11oxo, good stuff.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  17. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    fog, you the man. forgot how good i felt on mmv2/11oxo, good stuff.
    MMV2 can put me a bit on edge, but that 11-OXO is like utter euphoria.
    Freedom means nothing here.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    MMV2 can put me a bit on edge, but that 11-OXO is like utter euphoria.
    aaah, but together!!!!
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  19. Have you tried a good multi-vitamin Pak? Have you ever had an allergy test done? These are things that i'm famliar with and can cause energy issues.

  20. i'd try to ease off the melatonin... i used that stuff for a while and found myself feeling dazed and tired the next day almost every time i took it

    I tryed to counter this effect with stimulants throughout the day and wound up developing some severe anxiety that took a couple months to get over

    if you need a sleep aid look into valarian root, not something that messes with neurotransmitters like melatonin

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Movin_weight View Post
    i'd try to ease off the melatonin... i used that stuff for a while and found myself feeling dazed and tired the next day almost every time i took it

    I tryed to counter this effect with stimulants throughout the day and wound up developing some severe anxiety that took a couple months to get over

    if you need a sleep aid look into valarian root, not something that messes with neurotransmitters like melatonin

    Melatonin has a very similar effect on me so ur not the only one. I could take 20mg of Melatonin and workout, not that im going to do that but it actually decreases my quality of sleep and makes me feel like i have Jet Lag the next day.

  22. Use melatonin only when you really must.
    Freedom means nothing here.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Hard Knox View Post
    Have you tried a good multi-vitamin Pak? Have you ever had an allergy test done? These are things that i'm famliar with and can cause energy issues.
    I currently take and have been taking NOW Adam for the last three months or so. I haven't had an allergy test done anytime recently...I only have one known allergy and it's to sulfa.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by nparisi View Post
    I currently take and have been taking NOW Adam for the last three months or so. I haven't had an allergy test done anytime recently...I only have one known allergy and it's to sulfa.

    Do you have indoor pets? Use a feather pillow? those are some indoor things that can be a factor. Normally it would be something indoors but it could be a combination of indoor/outdoor. Or maybe thats not it at all but I would definitely get an allergy test done, only takes about an hour and you'll know for sure if you have any allergies, and better yet what to stay away from.

  25. Over supplementing led me to a lot of depression like symptoms among other things. FoG is a smart man and his advice is solid based off of your input but many of us try and selectively leave out items we know will be the culprit because of their ability to give us what we want (strength, size etc)

    make sure before adding any new supps or ideas to your life that you're being true to yourself and it isn't something that can be self corrected be elimenating certain drugs/supps. Sometimes stopping all but necissary intake of drugs/supps for a continued amount of time is a step to getting healthy and i'm speaking from personal experience.

    Im not saying this is your case but if some of it rings true and you don't need to admit it here, then make sure you do the right thing for your body. I found i was seriously tired from lack of Iron in my diet.
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