ALCAR + mitochondrial uncoupling

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    ALCAR + mitochondrial uncoupling


    So is it possible to get DNP type mitochondrial uncoupling from a high enough dose of ALCAR? and what sort of dosing would that be, and what other dangers would it carry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    So is it possible to get DNP type mitochondrial decoupling from a high enough dose of ALCAR? and what sort of dosing would that be, and what other dangers would it carry?
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    It may be possible, but you will need a good dose of potent anti-O's before, during, and after.

    Also, it's "uncoupler"
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    yes, funny when I did google searches I used uncoupling but somehow typed decoupling here
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    yes, funny when I did google searches I used uncoupling but somehow typed decoupling here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Hrmmm this sounds like a job for Strategic Move
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    Not sure about the whole uncoupling thing but I'm currently running ALCAR at 6g a day, 3 x 2g doses, and have ran it at 10g in the past. No sides noticed, just lots of fat lost. I can't imagine how ALCAR can achieve something DNP can though? Sounds whacky!
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    hmm interesting. I may go higher, need to do more capping then, and order more only grabbed 100g last time
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    Too much ALCAR would probably deplete the brain of a lot of choline and dopamine, so it'd be wise to supplement with some choline and L-Phenylalanine whilst doing an ALCAR megadosing protocol.
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    I just need some ALA and I'd burn thru my last 150gr of ALCAR (I'd do 10gr/day) before my bulk for the good of the community.
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    I would add some choline in there with your caps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xodus View Post
    I would add some choline in there with your caps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
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    Awww Damn it. Didn't see your post.


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    What if I did this 2x's day

    5gr ALCAR
    250mg ALA
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    1 scoop Cycle Support
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    I've got around 200 1000mg phosphatadyl choline caps, and 300g I think of DL-Phenylalanine so I can do that, plus IGF-2, and regularly take resveratrol as an antioxidant. could buy some noxidant too
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    I guess that is another related q, should the alcar be spread in many doses or is just 2 doses ok? would 2g 5x a day be better than 5g 2x?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I guess that is another related q, should the alcar be spread in many doses or is just 2 doses ok? would 2g 5x a day be better than 5g 2x?
    Better to be spread out. You can crash if you dose too much at once. Ramp your way up and titrate back down to avoid any unwanted cognitive rebound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I've got around 200 1000mg phosphatadyl choline caps, and 300g I think of DL-Phenylalanine so I can do that, plus IGF-2, and regularly take resveratrol as an antioxidant. could buy some noxidant too
    Yea thats another option but I'd have to wait since funds are a little low til monday. maybe dose the NO-xidant 2caps with each dose (if you do it 2x's a day)
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    Bump for any new info!
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    try adding plcar, plcar+alcar=potent combo. i like adding them to poseidon-down side is taste but crystal light takes care of most of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    try adding plcar, plcar+alcar=potent combo. i like adding them to poseidon-down side is taste but crystal light takes care of most of it.
    what have you been noticing? I have 100gr of ALCAR stil along with a full tub of posiedon. Depending on your answer I may pick up some PLCAR........decisions riding on you bigt :bruce2:
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    i have 500g of alcar, was going to dose in the 12-15g a day range
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    i have 500g of alcar, was going to dose in the 12-15g a day range
    See I wanted to but forgot to order NO-Xident my last NP order

    I have the basic anti-ox supps;Green Tea, CoQ10, Vit E, ALA, Vit C...but that NO-Xident.....now she look real purdy to me
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    yah, i have ala, green tea, vit c, fish oil, SAMe
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    Nice I forgot about me fish oil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    what have you been noticing? I have 100gr of ALCAR stil along with a full tub of posiedon. Depending on your answer I may pick up some PLCAR........decisions riding on you bigt :bruce2:
    more energy. plus a nice boost in libido. also noticed improved recovery. imo plcar is very worthwhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    What if I did this 2x's day

    5gr ALCAR
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    Add some ALA. Let's lower blood sugar to get some AMPK activation, as well as protect against the ketone bodies that form, as well as the acetaldehyde which might accumulate when the acetyl ether gets stripped.

    Personally, I think this is not going to work. ALCAR serves too many other purposes in the body, and is used to make ATP. DNP blocks the sythesis of ATP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    Add some ALA. Let's lower blood sugar to get some AMPK activation, as well as protect against the ketone bodies that form, as well as the acetaldehyde which might accumulate when the acetyl ether gets stripped.

    Personally, I think this is not going to work. ALCAR serves too many other purposes in the body, and is used to make ATP. DNP blocks the sythesis of ATP.
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