[swangswang]

What is a good NATURAL product that gives the muscle a hardened effect? MY body fat is as low as it has ever been but i still have this soft look about me. Is there any products other a PH like superdrol that can give me this effect? thanks

[crader]

You might try RPM.

[swangswang]

ha i just came off RPM. I loved the focus and intensity but after every work out i would just get depressed as hell and just dwell over stupid sh*t

[crader]

Hmmm Well have you tried any of chuck diesels stuff? From the logs i've read they seem to work well!

[pmiller383]

What kind of training do you do, that can have a big effect on relaxed muscle density.

[swangswang]

ha my work outs are pretty normal
Monday: Chest-4 sets incline dumb bell press, 4 sets flat barbell press, then i usually do a circuit of 15 rep chest machines consisting of flat press, incline press, and flys, or I do 4 sets of dips.
Abs- 5 sets of torso rotations
Tuesday: Back- 4 sets single arm lat pull downs, 4 sets stiff leg dead lifts, 4 sets dumb bell row, 4 sets back flys
Wednesday: Legs: 4 sets free motion squats, 3 sets medium weight leg press, 4 sets leg curls, 4 sets single leg extensions.
Thursday: Bis/Tris/: freemotion curls, hammer curls, incline dumb bell curls, then burn out with a curling machine for 15-20 reps.
Tris: over head tricep extensions, dips, skull crushers, close grip bench press.
Abs: 5 sets suspended leg raises, bouncy ball ha? crunches
Friday: Cardio and/or shoulders

[DreamWeaver]

How often do you change your routines? Heavy compound lifting does increase muscle density which will give more of a hard appearance to the muscle. For that nice pumped hard feeling, I found that Drive worked well. I don't know if it helped with appearance at all though, my muscles certainly felt harder to the touch.

[arjun4]

anabolic pump

[pmiller383]

I am running Drive right now and it definitely keeps you dense, For training I was going to say do lower reps at higher weight but DW beat me too it.

[swangswang]

My routines change frequently but it is pretty much based around what I have showed. Drive did not do much for me. if anyone else has any other input it would be appreciated.

[Distilled Water]

pSARM is a natty product that should help you in this department.

[Distilled Water]

Another thing is caffeine is a vaso-constrictor which may be hurting your vascularity which in turn may be causing a flatter look since your veins aren't really "popping" catch my drift? How is your caffeine intake?

[arjun4]

Originally Posted by Distilled Water

Another thing is caffeine is a vaso-constrictor which may be hurting your vascularity which in turn may be causing a flatter look since your veins aren't really "popping" catch my drift? How is your caffeine intake?

i though the vasoconstrictive effects of caffeine were only elicited on cerebral blood vessels


i take in quite a bit of caffeine during the day, usually in the 500-600mg range.. and my veins pop like a dope addict all day.

[Distilled Water]

Originally Posted by arjun4

i though the vasoconstrictive effects of caffeine were only elicited on cerebral blood vessels


i take in quite a bit of caffeine during the day, usually in the 500-600mg range.. and my veins pop like a dope addict all day.

Are you a dope addict? j/k

I know for someone like myself, who doesn't have much vascularity even at a low BF%, caffeine plays a role.

[MentalTwitch]

I like how all the reps dropped some info.. :P

good ole creatine man.
MAN Clout is supposed to be great but a bit pricey.
I like Ticreatine malate right now.
Really cut carbs more.
Maybe a burner like Leviathan. I know you said you have low BF but how low? I consider myself "low" at about 11-12%(im guessin never measured)

I feel you though, until i cut down my muscles hve always been soft, or not as dense.