Total Noob needs advice.

sooners08 · 04-23-2008, 02:09 PM

Hey guys... I am a complete, 100% noob when it comes to supplements. I have done a little research, and I have found a few things that definitely interest me, I'd just like to talk to a pro (or at least someone that knows what they're talking about!) before I start putting combinations of supplements in my body.

Without flaming, would someone like to help me figure out what items I should purchase?

My situation: I am 23 years old, I weigh 125lbs (give/take), and I am 6'1. Yeah, really. I have worked out off and on for years with no impressive results. I am a hardgainer, and I feel like supplements/anabols may be my best bet at this point.

I really just want my arms to be bigger. My chest would be next, but I really want my arms to be bigger than the twigs they are now. I am not as much concerned with energy/etc as this is not for sports, purely appearance.

I am looking to use something extremely effective (and fast!), injectable or not. I would like to use something along the lines of a growth hormone, possibly in combination with a testosterone supp as well as protein.

I would really like to talk to someone via e-mail or AIM/Yahoo Messenger if someone would be willing to help me. Or, if you have any general advice, please post it here! Thank you so much.

bigsteveo · 04-23-2008, 02:17 PM

I can already tell you what kind of advice you're gonna get from here. Eat, Eat, and Eat. And after you've done that, Eat again. At 6'1 125 thats your best bet. You could definately throw some protein and some creatine in there, but other than that diet should be your #1 priority.

**Big BAMA** · 04-23-2008, 02:18 PM

1) Quit rooting for OU
2) diet and exercise on a consistent basis will show results
3) You are toooooooooo new to even think about anything Pill or injectable that resembles a steroid. Don't be stupid in thinking it will make you Ronnie Coleman overnight. You still have to work out and have a good diet.
Remember it is a marathon not a sprint.
The only way to get lean mass and KEEP IT, is exercise, diet and TIME.
There are no shortcuts. Go to BB.com for that.

sooners08 · 04-23-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bigsteveo

I can already tell you what kind of advice you're gonna get from here. Eat, Eat, and Eat. And after you've done that, Eat again. At 6'1 125 thats your best bet. You could definately throw some protein and some creatine in there, but other than that diet should be your #1 priority.

Thanks for your advice. I already do eat a lot (usually at least 4 full meals, plus snacks). However, my diet definitely needs some alterations in order to get more protein.

I plan on ordering a protein supplement of sorts, but I also would really like some advice on the other kinds of supplements I mentioned.

Any help would be greatly appreciated! I know you probably can't advertise products here, but I would love to know some products to look up. What are some good products for beginners that are effective?

sooners08 · 04-23-2008, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big BAMA

1) Quit rooting for OU
2) diet and exercise on a consistent basis will show results
3) You are toooooooooo new to even think about anything Pill or injectable that resembles a steroid. Don't be stupid in thinking it will make you Ronnie Coleman overnight. You still have to work out and have a good diet.
Remember it is a marathon not a sprint.
The only way to get lean mass and KEEP IT, is exercise, diet and TIME.
There are no shortcuts. Go to BB.com for that.

1. Never gonna happen. 2008 Nat'l Champs.

2 and 3. Thank you for your advice. You don't think testosterone or any other growth hormones are a good idea at all?

bigpoppapump2 · 04-23-2008, 02:26 PM

You should be eating at least 6,000 calories per/day. I would recommend lots of protein and an appetite stimulator.

**Cellardude** · 04-23-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sooners08

Hey guys... I am a complete, 100% noob when it comes to supplements. I have done a little research, and I have found a few things that definitely interest me, I'd just like to talk to a pro (or at least someone that knows what they're talking about!) before I start putting combinations of supplements in my body.

Without flaming, would someone like to help me figure out what items I should purchase?

My situation: I am 23 years old, I weigh 125lbs (give/take), and I am 6'1. Yeah, really. I have worked out off and on for years with no impressive results. I am a hardgainer, and I feel like supplements/anabols may be my best bet at this point.

I really just want my arms to be bigger. My chest would be next, but I really want my arms to be bigger than the twigs they are now. I am not as much concerned with energy/etc as this is not for sports, purely appearance.

I am looking to use something extremely effective (and fast!), injectable or not. I would like to use something along the lines of a growth hormone, possibly in combination with a testosterone supp as well as protein.

I would really like to talk to someone via e-mail or AIM/Yahoo Messenger if someone would be willing to help me. Or, if you have any general advice, please post it here! Thank you so much.

I dont know why people jump to the conclusion that their bodies arent going to grow. First off you havent been consistant. Second off your diet sucks. Third off im sure your training sucks ass. With this said, you still think that you cant grow? You havent been doing anything right to begin with. How would you know that your body refuses to grow?

Do a bulk, stop worrying about your abs, and arms. In order to grow just eat. Do some searching around.

In my opinion you have been tainted with poison already. Your mindset that you cant get big and that steroids is the answer makes me kind of hesitant to help you out if you ask me. My mindset when I got into this was, I need to grow, and I need to do it naturally. I first started asking about diet/training and here you are asking about anabolics. Just seems to me that no matter what we will say, your social acceptance to anabolics so early on in this point will drive you to a dead end.

**Big BAMA** · 04-23-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sooners08

1. Never gonna happen. 2008 Nat'l Champs.

2 and 3. Thank you for your advice. You don't think testosterone or any other growth hormones are a good idea at all?

1) Pray you don't play Boise St again.
Test or hgh would be a very dumbazz thing to do. At 6'1" and 125 your diet and exercise regiment is what is holding you back. If you do not eat right and exercise it doesn't matter what you take. Save the money you would blow on this and join a good gym, then go to the gym and exercise. And eat good food, lose the snacks if they are junk, Protein, Creatine, Bcaa's, food, water(lots).
And Dude, You aren't going to wake up huge. It takes work to get big, You may never get there but you will look better once you start to do the things you need to.

ReaperX · 04-23-2008, 02:34 PM

wow. 6' 1" @ 125lbs. That's scary to think about.

**shaddow** · 04-23-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Big BAMA

1) Quit rooting for OU

Reps on that one!

**shaddow** · 04-23-2008, 02:44 PM

Oh, and just to reiterate, there's no way that @ 125 you couldn't make massive gains by paying a little attention to your diet!

sooners08 · 04-23-2008, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cellardude

I dont know why people jump to the conclusion that their bodies arent going to grow. First off you havent been consistant. Second off your diet sucks. Third off im sure your training sucks ass. With this said, you still think that you cant grow? You havent been doing anything right to begin with. How would you know that your body refuses to grow?

Do a bulk, stop worrying about your abs, and arms. In order to grow just eat. Do some searching around.

In my opinion you have been tainted with poison already. Your mindset that you cant get big and that steroids is the answer makes me kind of hesitant to help you out if you ask me. My mindset when I got into this was, I need to grow, and I need to do it naturally. I first started asking about diet/training and here you are asking about anabolics. Just seems to me that no matter what we will say, your social acceptance to anabolics so early on in this point will drive you to a dead end.

I appreciate your input, thanks. A little rude, but understandable as I'm a total noob here. I think you are jumping to conclusions in terms of my 'mindset'. But thanks, all advice is good advice at this point.

**DreamWeaver** · 04-23-2008, 03:23 PM

Diet yes I agree completely but also learn how to train. Your not going to put on mass by trying to just and size to your arms. You have to lift heavy duty and first you have to learn how properly to do the heavy duty lifts. Bad training is a really big problem in gyms these days. It's always been bad but it seemst to be getting worse. I have to bite my tongue continuously when I go to a public gym.

When I trained my son, who is admittedly an easy gainer he was 16 with 18 inch arms and he did not train arms directly. What does this tell you, yes he was able to add overall mass performing compound lifts.

Knowledge is key, learn how to diet and lift. Know how to use the 2 P's periodization and progression. Learn that intensity is the most important thing in planning routines, and that if you can even stand after on hour you intensity is to low. Know that technique is always superior to load, never be afraid to take weight of the bar. Learn the movements and routines you tend to repsond to, keep a log. All this takes years and when you've done all this... maybe.. maybe we can talk supplements. All the product in the world will do you little good untill you master these principles.

Ok I'm done now.

**DreamWeaver** · 04-23-2008, 03:27 PM

Sorry I lied, I'm not done. I just wanted to add the hardest gainer I ever knew was my former partner and he too 3rd in the world 2 years back.

sooners08 · 04-23-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Big BAMA

1) Pray you don't play Boise St again.
Test or hgh would be a very dumbazz thing to do. At 6'1" and 125 your diet and exercise regiment is what is holding you back. If you do not eat right and exercise it doesn't matter what you take. Save the money you would blow on this and join a good gym, then go to the gym and exercise. And eat good food, lose the snacks if they are junk, Protein, Creatine, Bcaa's, food, water(lots).
And Dude, You aren't going to wake up huge. It takes work to get big, You may never get th