3ad vs MMv2
- 04-15-2008, 09:25 AM
3ad vs MMv2
Ok I know 3ad as a few extra ingredients but from what i can tell these 2 have the same main muscle building agent in them except legal gear has more per capsule right? So why is 3ad selling for almost triple the price? I ran a cycle of MMv2 and loved it but I just really can't tell much of a difference between these two products. Im not tryin to say anything negative about AX cause i've used there whole line of products and everything worked like it said it did. But could someone please explain this to me.
- 04-15-2008, 11:06 AM
- 04-15-2008, 11:15 AM
Im sure the 2ad in it was probably expensive to source seing as how noone else has it, so just one company getting it sourced at first was probly hefty! 1-androsterone and 4 androsterone along with the other androsterones are expensive for raws as well which is probly why.E-Pharm Rep... PM me with any questions or concerns
04-15-2008, 11:22 AM
Well the 2-ad in it, mike 3107, is unmethylated pheraplex which will yield more size and str gains than the mmv2 ingredient alone. You are also forgetting the other ingredients in 3-ad that were added for synergism. Check out the logs my friend. If you want to put on some size and gain str 'safely' as compared to other designers that are methylated, then 3ad is your new best friend.
04-15-2008, 12:55 PM
04-15-2008, 01:04 PM
Sure.. 3-ad was more of a mass compound, while it didnt pack on any lbs because i was cutting it definately kept my muscle intact.. MMV2 was better for strength and aggression but i beleive thats because of more androsterone percap then 3-ad. 3-ad had better mind feeling to it which i would attribute to the picamillon. I also would sweat more on 3-ad, vascularity was up a very good amount on both compounds.
Both are great in there own right!
E-Pharm Rep... PM me with any questions or concerns
04-15-2008, 01:05 PM
04-15-2008, 01:14 PM
04-15-2008, 02:53 PM
04-15-2008, 09:34 PM
"2-Androstenol has demonstrated a strong ability to increase aggression, enhance the alpha-male attitude, and increase secretion of luteinizing hormone." Im not so sure that this is the ingredient indtended for mass gains according to the write up on the product. Sounds like it is more for aggression and extra workout intesity. Im not saying it's a bad product, Im just don't see much of a difference between the 2 products except mmv2 has more of the active.
04-16-2008, 12:48 AM
04-16-2008, 01:23 AM
"OK, this is how it really is. Androsterone is a two step precursor of DHT. It is highly susceptible to irreversible liver first pass conjugation which inactivates it. So its not a great prohormone.
...(I edited out the part about the ecdysterone)
So we are left with 2-androstenol. The fact about this stuff is by injection it is rated as 200% as anabolic as testosterone. Unfortunately taken orally it is 0% as anabolic as testosterone. Why is that? Well if you ever played around with the stuff you will see that its physical properties are very strange. it is fluffy like fiberglass and it seems to absorb water and expand like a fiber. It is very poorly soluble in most everything. So a very sensible conclusion is that its horrible oral bioavailability is due to its inability to absorb through the intestine. Essentially, it acts like a fiber
Now an interesting thing about 2-androstenol is that it has a very high resistance to oxidation to a 17-keto steroid by 17b-HSD - much higher than any other known unmethylated steroid. So the potential for high oral bioavailability is there, that is if you can get it past the intestine
This is where the acetate comes in. When you add an acetate you completely change the physical properties of 2-androstenol. Suddenly it becames very lipid soluble. And lipid soluble substances can pass through the intestine with relative ease by diffusion. So there is potential for this stuff."
I believe that the person who said that removing the methyl abolishes anabolic/androgenic activity is basically just regurgitating what the write-up for 3-AD says and doesn't quite understand the compound in question.
04-16-2008, 01:31 AM
04-16-2008, 01:45 AM
When whomever is stating that the acetate completely changes physical properties they mean in the context of solubility only?
04-16-2008, 02:12 AM
04-16-2008, 02:32 AM
04-16-2008, 11:45 AM
Agreed. I was pretty surprised...to the point where I posted on it 3 times to get PA's response. I also hoped by doing so it would stop the spread of that kind of misinformation. People thinking that 2-androstenol is just there to give a 'good, aggressive' feeling -- might change the way they use it. In reality if 2-androstenol acetate works like they think it will, it's likely that this will be active and a major contributor to the anabolic/androgenic properties of 3-AD.
04-16-2008, 04:03 PM
adawg is a BRAND NEW rep and was barely briefed on the compound, so cut him some slack. He WAS going off the write-up that was provided for us............
04-16-2008, 05:02 PM
04-16-2008, 09:46 PM
04-17-2008, 01:02 AM
I'll freely admit that I'm pretty new to the boards and to PH/PS use in general, but I've got a firm grasp on the world of science (Ph.D. in cell biology), so I feel like, for me, write-ups are never enough and it's much more helpful to hear about a product from its designer or someone who has deep roots in the supplement industry. But thats part of what makes these boards great...you can actually communicate with these people and learn from them.
04-17-2008, 09:46 AM
04-17-2008, 10:43 AM
Ok so just to confirm mmv2 and 3ad do have the same active right? Or at least the same main ingrediant intended for mass? Cause 2-ad seems like even if it is orally active the main purpose is to provide agression and alpha male mentality.
04-17-2008, 10:50 AM
they have one commonality............androst erone............that is the only similarity.
We have other stuff added to promote anabolism (not even sure if thats a word) in the body. seems that alot of people are using MMv2 to cut. 3-ad is geared more for a bulk.
04-18-2008, 12:09 AM
04-19-2008, 02:35 PM
(This has been discussed by both Sldge (M. Cahill, the designer) and Patrick Arnold on multiple threads on another forum...you should do some more searching...PM if you want quotes or links...)
Edit: You could even look at post #12 on this thread...it pretty much spells it out.
04-19-2008, 09:01 PM
04-20-2008, 04:30 PM
04-20-2008, 06:23 PM
04-21-2008, 01:09 AM
Wait so are you saying 3-ad will provide greater gains than superdrol? I understand the less side effects do to the non-methyl, but you think it can really stand up to superdrol in lbm gains?
04-21-2008, 02:46 AM
Gains seem to be damn solid, especially for a bulk or recomp. Know a few guys reported 15 lbs+. By all reports though, I dont think its as strong as SD. Ill be finding out soon in a month or so....
04-21-2008, 05:01 AM
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