[footster]

Im 20, and want to take HAvoc. Believe me done the research(and still learning) and I know how strict you guys are about waiting for the right age. 2 questions, if u take to young how do you screw your test lvls for life? I thought your body always goes back to normal just depends how long it takes. Next, waiting until the day after my 21st to start my cycle?Should I wait longer?

[Mulletsoldier]

Reasoning is that a fully-matured HPTA will return to homeostasis under normal to ideal conditions; an underdeveloped HPTA is still normalizing its hormonal-milieux, and obviously injecting/ingesting exogenous hormones can detrimentally effect this.

[BodyWizard]

I think the safest thing to do would be to wait until you're 25 - at that point, your HPTA is fully developed (or you're seeing an endocrinologist) - the board rule about being 21 is that at 21 you're legally fully responsible for your own actions, no matter how stupid they are: no-one ever said that turning 21 cleared anyone to start messing with their hormones.

The smart thing to do would be to work on your training, learn about nutrition, take up a martial art, get to know your body & establish yourself in life. When you reach 25, I *guarantee* you'll be much better equipped to consider your long-term goals and your genetic potential.

You have plenty of time. Really.

[Rugger]

If you look much older than you are(like me) or are already experiencing MPB(like me) then I think you're good to go. You should know if you're ready or not.

[Necroticism]

are there any tests that can be done to see how devoloped your hpta is?

[UNCfan1]

Originally Posted by BodyWizard

I think the safest thing to do would be to wait until you're 25 - at that point, your HPTA is fully developed (or you're seeing an endocrinologist) - the board rule about being 21 is that at 21 you're legally fully responsible for your own actions, no matter how stupid they are: no-one ever said that turning 21 cleared anyone to start messing with their hormones.

The smart thing to do would be to work on your training, learn about nutrition, take up a martial art, get to know your body & establish yourself in life. When you reach 25, I *guarantee* you'll be much better equipped to consider your long-term goals and your genetic potential.

You have plenty of time. Really.

Thats a damn good post man! I wish I could go back in time and wait although I got to a great size naturally. But ur dead on 25 or so is prob best.

[Palo Alto Labs]

Originally Posted by BodyWizard

I think the safest thing to do would be to wait until you're 25 - at that point, your HPTA is fully developed (or you're seeing an endocrinologist) - the board rule about being 21 is that at 21 you're legally fully responsible for your own actions, no matter how stupid they are: no-one ever said that turning 21 cleared anyone to start messing with their hormones.

The smart thing to do would be to work on your training, learn about nutrition, take up a martial art, get to know your body & establish yourself in life. When you reach 25, I *guarantee* you'll be much better equipped to consider your long-term goals and your genetic potential.

You have plenty of time. Really.

x2

21 is too young in my opinion. most people are still too busy drinking and partying... you need to be mature, both pre-cycle, during cycle, and post cycle.
Plus your test levels are still elevated through the roof

You have the rest of your life to screw up your body.. the earlier you start..the longer you'll be paying for dumb decisions. If you cant get there without anabolics... maybe you need to re-assess your routine and lifestyle

[Big BAMA]

I wait longer. At 21 your natural test should still be excellent. Using at such a young age could still hurt your natural production. No need to rush. I would wait till 25 at the earliest.

[footster]

Great info on how I would screw up my HPTA, never completely understood. I have been training, know how to diet and know my body pretty well. I just have been using so many other supps and want to take it to the next lvl. But you guys are right as always. Why screw my body up now..just means I'm gonna have to take PS PH the rest of my life to get results.

[EctoPower]

Originally Posted by Palo Alto Labs

x2

21 is too young in my opinion. most people are still too busy drinking and partying... you need to be mature, both pre-cycle, during cycle, and post cycle.
Plus your test levels are still elevated through the roof

You have the rest of your life to screw up your body.. the earlier you start..the longer you'll be paying for dumb decisions. If you cant get there without anabolics... maybe you need to re-assess your routine and lifestyle

x3

Good stuff. Lot's of people, especially at a younger age, underestimate how much they can gain naturally. If you need evidence of what can be attained naturally, look at video of truly natural bodybuilders. I recommend Skip LaCour and Jeff Willet.

[wrasslin116]

If your not looking to go pro or compete high up in bodybuilding then I don't even see the point of taking pro hormones/steroids. Let alone take them if your not old enough.

[adil]

I highly doubt that either of them two is actually natural

[MuscleBound1337]

Originally Posted by adil

I highly doubt that either of them two is actually natural

2nd that

[dizi24]

Originally Posted by footster

Im 20, and want to take HAvoc. Believe me done the research(and still learning) and I know how strict you guys are about waiting for the right age. 2 questions, if u take to young how do you screw your test lvls for life? I thought your body always goes back to normal just depends how long it takes. Next, waiting until the day after my 21st to start my cycle?Should I wait longer?

My personal feeling from knowing tons of people who did steroids in high school and college (the 17-20 crowd), those who did a cycle once, did a proper PCT and such were fine, with only one exception (vs maybe 15 or so who seem fine, though you don't know w/o blood tests). The kids I know now who look like they've really screwed themselves are the ones who ran multiple cycles, ran bad cycles, or stacked a bunch together.

I believe around 21 a cycle can be done responsibly. However, until you're mid to late 20s, no one has any reason to be running 2-4 cycles a year.

[footster]

alright well now im not sure ha. I was just gonna pulse Havoc for 6 weeks and thats it. Proper diet and the sorts.. I guess it comes down to my own descision. crap

[OCCFan023]

Originally Posted by footster

alright well now im not sure ha. I was just gonna pulse Havoc for 6 weeks and thats it. Proper diet and the sorts.. I guess it comes down to my own descision. crap

Patience man... patience... This is about a healthy life style not just aesthetics. Save anabolic use until you have really slowed with progress.