AP & Epistane
- 04-10-2008, 12:14 PM
- 04-10-2008, 12:15 PM
- 04-10-2008, 12:21 PM
04-10-2008, 01:05 PM
eh not really a good idea. how old are you anyways? at 155 lbs you don't need epistane...you need protein and food...lots of it.
04-10-2008, 05:51 PM
im 20 i have used havoc, hema, n oxy before im usually a lil heavier i lost some size transitioning from iraq back to the states. i was just curious...
I was thinking that having ap while taking in the excess calories to bulk on the epistane would help keep me more lean...
04-10-2008, 06:30 PM
04-10-2008, 06:41 PM
04-10-2008, 07:03 PM
04-10-2008, 07:39 PM
04-10-2008, 08:02 PM
04-10-2008, 08:10 PM
bigpapa besides my age and weight is there any other reasons why i shouldnt stack the 2 let alone even use epi
04-10-2008, 10:07 PM
04-10-2008, 10:11 PM
I would tend to disagree
Well epistane itself acts as a stronger version of AP. Not trying to rip on AP, but just telling it as it is. Im not exactly sure on the whole mechanics of it all, but with epistane its self you get a bottle of AP. By this I mean, when you eat and your on epistane your muscles will be force fed pretty much like AP. Is it in similar pathways, probably not but your body is already using the food you provide as fuel. Adding AP into an epi cycle isnt harmful but in my opinion just a waste. If your on Epi why throw in AP if epi has the ability to draw carbs and what ever you eat into your muscles. Adding in AP might not only be a waste, it could be potentially dangerous. On epi your supposed to already eat more carbs than your normally eatting. Now... if you add in AP you have to eat more carbs. Thats a LOT of carbs. If it were me, I would run something like AP PCT or something like which works in a similar pathway to AP. This way it helps the body hopefully, keep the gains you made while on.
Hope that helps, im not sure exactly how accurate my info is. Thats just the way I see it personally, feel free to argue, because Im all about learning here
04-10-2008, 10:16 PM
Im with cellardude. I would save the AP for pct. Trust me you will make fine gains on epistane alone along with the usual staples.
04-10-2008, 10:19 PM
run it with pct, youll probably see better gains since epi already has a similar swelling effect that AP gives.
You'll probably flatten out (meaning you look a bit smaller and not as "pumped" as on) once your off epi which might seem like your losing your gains ( you could very well be losing your gains. not saying that it wont/cant happen) but its most likely the water weight or high carb content leveling out. With AP or neovar that pumped look can probably keep on going even after PCT.
04-10-2008, 11:51 PM
04-11-2008, 12:01 AM
04-11-2008, 01:23 AM
I think ap would help to keep him lean because of its insulin potentiating effects but I see what you are saying cellardude good posting
04-11-2008, 11:51 AM
thx for the input once again... ill prolly just run the epi n then ill go get some ap later to use with recreate before summer hits
04-11-2008, 01:44 PM
Epistane increases nitrogen retention and acts as an AI (aromitase inhibitor) in the body. The end result in most users will be a recomposition effect (lean gains and fat-loss). The lean muscle gains come from the increase in nitrogen retention and the fat-loss comes from the AI effects of the compound.
Anabolic Pump will also provide the same recomposition effect in most users but via a completely different pathway. AP's main ingredient allows users to eat substantially more carbs without the unwanted fat gain that would usually accompany such a large intake of CHO (carbohydrates). AP allows your muscles to store more glucose. For example without AP, let's say when you eat 100 CHO, your body stores: 50% in your muscle cells, 20% in your adipose tissue, 20% in your liver, and uses the remaining 10% for it's immediate energy needs. (these numbers were MADE UP, this is NOT EXACT SCIENCE! I am just making a point ) Now with AP, your body stores: 65% in your muscle cells, 5% in your adipose tissue, 20% in your liver, and uses the remaining 10% for it's immediate energy needs. Over time, your fat cells will shrink and you will gain more lean weight because of WHERE the CHO are stored not necessarily because of how many CHO you ingested. Now, the end result will be a steady "recomp" effect via CHO repartitioning.
Both EPI and AP will give you a nice "recomp" effect but they do it in different ways. One uses nitrogen/estrogen manipulation and the other uses CHO manipulation. In my opinion, you would stack the two for an AMAZING "recomp" effect
04-11-2008, 05:07 PM
04-11-2008, 09:28 PM
04-11-2008, 11:01 PM
04-11-2008, 11:10 PM
oh I cant say i disagree that epi and AP wont give you a better recomp effect than just the standard dose of epi but what I might try to get across is that with the addition of AP, you might feel hypoglycemic while on the stack.
I can agree that AP and epi would be decent for a recomp but if you were to throw it into PCT wouldnt you benefit more? I know that when you come off something like epi, youll feel a bit flatter, when you come off AP the pumps wont be as crazy as when you were on. With that said, wouldnt AP be useful in promoting anabolism (not sure if thats an actual word ) when your body is adjusting to change in hormones? I think providing your body with the proper nutrition at that point is pretty crucial in terms of growth. If one were to run AP and epi, wont they usually need to run it for on, and PCT? that would sorta get expensive in my opinion. Agian im no expert so I could be wrong.
04-12-2008, 02:02 AM
what if you were to take AP while on cycle and in PCT if cost wasn't an issue would that still be as usefull?
04-12-2008, 08:18 AM
04-12-2008, 09:47 AM
I'm pretty pumped about epi right now. I'm on my first epi cycle stacked with NX Labs Nitro T3. I'm 2 weeks into my cycle and dosing 20 mgs of epi right now, and my workouts are kick ass. I can't wait till week 4 when my dosing goes up to 40 mgs. I have been eating like a horse, and I'm up 6 lbs already!
04-22-2008, 10:32 PM
04-22-2008, 11:00 PM
I'm in week 4 right now and just started my 40mg dose Sunday. I'm up from a start at 186 lbs to 197. I'm carrying some water weight, but my workouts have been monsterous.
04-22-2008, 11:06 PM
04-22-2008, 11:42 PM
I think and i quote "think" that someone did a lab testing of epistane and found it to be like 4.2 or 4.3 mg of active instead of 10 as they claim. The company I think said something about epistane being of cleaner isomers or something along those lines. I forget.
Maybe someone who knows the whole thing and who remembers it might like to chime in to refresh my memory.
04-24-2008, 11:11 AM
04-24-2008, 11:25 AM
04-24-2008, 10:00 PM
04-24-2008, 10:12 PM
05-12-2008, 05:21 PM
i kinda like havoc better i saw greater improvement in both size and strength with havoc and just more strength really with epi but could have been diet at the time.
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