Is Casein worth it? Will this debate rage on forever?
- 04-07-2008, 03:08 PM
Is Casein worth it? Will this debate rage on forever?
So is Casein worth the price difference? Is it actually good to have protein in your stomach throughout the night or is it better for you to have an empty stomach during the night? Will Milk+Whey+fiber+EVOO basically do the same thing?
Will all these questions, and more, be debated forever?
- 04-07-2008, 03:14 PM
04-07-2008, 03:17 PM
Yep, the price isnt that much more and you only really need fast digesting protein (whey) post workout.
Casein should be a staple for protein powder when dieting.
04-07-2008, 05:20 PM
I think whey protein is over rated. I love Muscle milk which is a combo of Whey & Casein. I believe whey is great post workout but having a slow digesting protein like Casein in your
is the best because you constantly get aminos released to your muscles between meals. That's why I love muscle milk...gained 15 lbs of muscle since I started using it and receive huge pumps and amazing recovery....never get lactic acid build up anymore, ready to go again next day!
04-07-2008, 08:56 PM
I will buy Casein for one simple reason - it doesnt cause bloating. Heck that itself is a million buck thing. Imagine taking whey protein shake at work as in between meal replacement and feeling gaseous. Worst feeling ever. Casein never has that feeling. Plus it definitely is great as pre-bed protein, much ahead of Whey.
If only Casein wont be as chalky as it often is I would chug whey for most part.
04-07-2008, 09:06 PM
04-07-2008, 09:11 PM
04-07-2008, 09:14 PM
Thanks for the feedback everyone.
04-08-2008, 03:13 AM
04-11-2008, 09:40 AM
Yes, when I have a Casein shake or fat-free cottage cheese pre-bed on a consistent basis I definitely make better gains in size and strength.
I have a whey shake in the late morning and always post-workout.
04-11-2008, 10:06 AM
it's worth it because it keeps you in an anabolic state.
the debate will rage on forever because people are misinformed.
04-11-2008, 01:54 PM
In regards to casien, i think it is worth it, and should be a staple as someone mentioned before.
04-11-2008, 02:00 PM
04-11-2008, 02:04 PM
i think were talking about types of protien, and which are the staple to ones diet Muscle milk vs whey isolate vs etc.. I think most of us know that lean protien such as chicken breasts, eggs, etc are the real stapes to our diets..
04-11-2008, 05:52 PM
I dont think it's needed if you are eating every 2-3 hours and consuming plenty of whole protein sources like you should be doing.
You shouldnt be relying on protein powders anyways for alot of your intake.
That being said I use casein every now and then when I can get a good deal on it.
04-11-2008, 05:53 PM
04-11-2008, 07:25 PM
04-11-2008, 09:40 PM
Why don't you people eat some chicken ,turkey,or fish before you go to bed?It digest slowly and is what you're body is naturally acustomed to.
04-11-2008, 09:45 PM
Cassein is – by far – better than whey. It is anticatabolic in its activity and keeps your system in a constant, slow supply of amino acids. Whey is good as a post workout drink, but BCAAs or even ECAs will do a much better job at only 10g per serving.
04-11-2008, 09:53 PM
04-11-2008, 09:58 PM
Dorian Yates ProPeptide Micellar casein, whey, egg albumen... And tasty
I like the blended protein shakes for the quick deliver and steady supply of aminos as mentioned.
04-11-2008, 10:24 PM
It's good to have it before bed but try not to rely on it. Eggs or grilled chicken with the red burrito salsa, garlic powder, and Montreal seasoning is much better
04-11-2008, 11:13 PM
04-11-2008, 11:19 PM
04-11-2008, 11:21 PM
i guess its what you think is high.. to me anything over 20 g per serving is like a weight gainer, because thats whats exactly gonna happen your gonna gain weight--mostly fat. Thats why i like iso with casien for most of the year
04-11-2008, 11:51 PM
04-12-2008, 07:30 PM
I have had weight gainers b4, not sure how many calories they have but are definitely much more filling than Muscle Milk.
People are brainwashed into thinking that Whey on its own is best because they are too stupid to understand they need to eat food every 2-3 hours to remain in an anabolic state and have a steady stream of BCAAs as well as carbs and fats. This is where Casein comes in as it's slow digesting, inclusdes whey protein also for fast digestion and has good fats to burn as energy...got the picture???
04-12-2008, 09:03 PM
04-12-2008, 09:22 PM
Slow digestion means it is digesting all night. A stomach that is digesting food all through the night is using some of the bodies energy to digest food. That means it is using energy rather than resting and recovering. May be minor but it is indeed true. This can interfere with your sleep patern. A sleep patern that is interupted in this way can prevent your body from getting into a deep sleep (REM?) required to be rested. Additionally this food interferes with your bodies ability to produce its own natural GH which can also reduce recovery.
I am not a scientist or biologist. But unless you are eating so poorly and lightly throughout the day this nightime intake is not going to amount to much other than to compensate for the poor food intake while you are awake.
For those people who claim that when they started taking Casein at night they finally began to grow would have grown just as well had they added that much more protein during their waking hours. Additionally had they just ate a piece of chicken or fish or eggs they would have still gotten the same additional protein without the cost of a premium protein.
I have just recently used up a 4lb bottle of Casien (I bought it for my mom but she didn't need it) and it has produce nothing more than gas, bloating and frequent nightime urination.
Unless you are malnurished or sick I see no real benefit and therefore not worth the cost IMHO.
04-13-2008, 01:43 AM
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