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  1. Is Casein worth it? Will this debate rage on forever?


    So is Casein worth the price difference? Is it actually good to have protein in your stomach throughout the night or is it better for you to have an empty stomach during the night? Will Milk+Whey+fiber+EVOO basically do the same thing?

    Will all these questions, and more, be debated forever?

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  2. Yep, the price isnt that much more and you only really need fast digesting protein (whey) post workout.
    Casein should be a staple for protein powder when dieting.

  3. I think whey protein is over rated. I love Muscle milk which is a combo of Whey & Casein. I believe whey is great post workout but having a slow digesting protein like Casein in your
    is the best because you constantly get aminos released to your muscles between meals. That's why I love muscle milk...gained 15 lbs of muscle since I started using it and receive huge pumps and amazing recovery....never get lactic acid build up anymore, ready to go again next day!

  4. Quote Originally Posted by TheNinja View Post
    So is Casein worth the price difference? Is it actually good to have protein in your stomach throughout the night or is it better for you to have an empty stomach during the night? Will Milk+Whey+fiber+EVOO basically do the same thing?
    Course it is.

    I will buy Casein for one simple reason - it doesnt cause bloating. Heck that itself is a million buck thing. Imagine taking whey protein shake at work as in between meal replacement and feeling gaseous. Worst feeling ever. Casein never has that feeling. Plus it definitely is great as pre-bed protein, much ahead of Whey.

    If only Casein wont be as chalky as it often is I would chug whey for most part.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Saurabh View Post
    Course it is.

    I will buy Casein for one simple reason - it doesnt cause bloating. Heck that itself is a million buck thing. Imagine taking whey protein shake at work as in between meal replacement and feeling gaseous. Worst feeling ever. Casein never has that feeling. Plus it definitely is great as pre-bed protein, much ahead of Whey.

    If only Casein wont be as chalky as it often is I would chug whey for most part.
    I drink Whey almost every afternoon. Usually with oats, milk, and EVOO. Most of the time I don't have bloating or gaseous feeling...most of the time that is. Perhaps I'll grab a 5lber and try it. Worst case, I'll just blend it with my whey for a super protein

  6. Quote Originally Posted by TheNinja View Post
    I drink Whey almost every afternoon. Usually with oats, milk, and EVOO. Most of the time I don't have bloating or gaseous feeling...most of the time that is. Perhaps I'll grab a 5lber and try it. Worst case, I'll just blend it with my whey for a super protein
    Thats probably because you are doing an entire meal there. Nothing wrong really, in fact quite good if you are looking for bulking up. I personally cant do it due to work reasons.

    Plus of course we are different so if it works for you all power to you.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Saurabh View Post
    Thats probably because you are doing an entire meal there. Nothing wrong really, in fact quite good if you are looking for bulking up. I personally cant do it due to work reasons.

    Plus of course we are different so if it works for you all power to you.
    That's true...the oats and evoo slow digestion I'm sure. I do hear what you're saying about bloating though. If I take too much whey post workout with dextrose/malto/WMS I either get bloating or I have to run to the bathroom real quick like.

    Thanks for the feedback everyone.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by TheNinja View Post
    So is Casein worth the price difference? Is it actually good to have protein in your stomach throughout the night or is it better for you to have an empty stomach during the night? Will Milk+Whey+fiber+EVOO basically do the same thing?

    Will all these questions, and more, be debated forever?
    I think it is. Price wise, casein or a blend is probably more cost efficient than milk+whey+fiber+evoo.

  9. Yes, when I have a Casein shake or fat-free cottage cheese pre-bed on a consistent basis I definitely make better gains in size and strength.

    I have a whey shake in the late morning and always post-workout.
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  10. it's worth it because it keeps you in an anabolic state.

    the debate will rage on forever because people are misinformed.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by luclyluciano View Post
    I think whey protein is over rated. I love Muscle milk which is a combo of Whey & Casein. I believe whey is great post workout but having a slow digesting protein like Casein in your
    is the best because you constantly get aminos released to your muscles between meals. That's why I love muscle milk...gained 15 lbs of muscle since I started using it and receive huge pumps and amazing recovery....never get lactic acid build up anymore, ready to go again next day!
    dude u do know that whey and muscle milk are 2 different things. Muscle milk is a weight gainer (basically) and whey iso is a protien you use when leaning or maintaining. So obviously youll gain weight off a weight gainer, and youll continue to meet your protien requirements with iso.

    In regards to casien, i think it is worth it, and should be a staple as someone mentioned before.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Blazay View Post
    dude u do know that whey and muscle milk are 2 different things. Muscle milk is a weight gainer (basically) and whey iso is a protien you use when leaning or maintaining. So obviously youll gain weight off a weight gainer, and youll continue to meet your protien requirements with iso.

    In regards to casien, i think it is worth it, and should be a staple as someone mentioned before.

    i think "staple" is an awfully strong word....i'd sooner give the nod to chicken breast,fish,lean steak or eggs before bed

  13. i think were talking about types of protien, and which are the staple to ones diet Muscle milk vs whey isolate vs etc.. I think most of us know that lean protien such as chicken breasts, eggs, etc are the real stapes to our diets..

  14. I dont think it's needed if you are eating every 2-3 hours and consuming plenty of whole protein sources like you should be doing.

    You shouldnt be relying on protein powders anyways for alot of your intake.
    That being said I use casein every now and then when I can get a good deal on it.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by TheNinja View Post
    So is Casein worth the price difference? Is it actually good to have protein in your stomach throughout the night or is it better for you to have an empty stomach during the night? Will Milk+Whey+fiber+EVOO basically do the same thing?

    Will all these questions, and more, be debated forever?
    Casein is excellent. I can tell a difference in mass gains and recovery when I have some UP or similar before bed.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Blazay View Post
    dude u do know that whey and muscle milk are 2 different things. Muscle milk is a weight gainer (basically) and whey iso is a protien you use when leaning or maintaining. So obviously youll gain weight off a weight gainer, and youll continue to meet your protien requirements with iso.

    In regards to casien, i think it is worth it, and should be a staple as someone mentioned before.

    Muscle Milk is not a weight gainer. Cytosport does make other products including Weight Gainers. Cytogainer - That is their weight gainer product.

  17. Why don't you people eat some chicken ,turkey,or fish before you go to bed?It digest slowly and is what you're body is naturally acustomed to.

  18. Cassein is – by far – better than whey. It is anticatabolic in its activity and keeps your system in a constant, slow supply of amino acids. Whey is good as a post workout drink, but BCAAs or even ECAs will do a much better job at only 10g per serving.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Direwolf View Post
    Cassein is – by far – better than whey. It is anticatabolic in its activity and keeps your system in a constant, slow supply of amino acids. Whey is good as a post workout drink, but BCAAs or even ECAs will do a much better job at only 10g per serving.
    Protien is the most complete and abundant form of amino acids.

  20. Dorian Yates ProPeptide Micellar casein, whey, egg albumen... And tasty

    I like the blended protein shakes for the quick deliver and steady supply of aminos as mentioned.

  21. It's good to have it before bed but try not to rely on it. Eggs or grilled chicken with the red burrito salsa, garlic powder, and Montreal seasoning is much better

  22. muscle milk has a **** load of carbs like a weight gainer, so its like a weight gainer to me.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Blazay View Post
    muscle milk has a **** load of carbs like a weight gainer, so its like a weight gainer to me.
    Not as many as cytogainer though.Muscle juice has 162 carbs.Thats a weight gainer!

  24. i guess its what you think is high.. to me anything over 20 g per serving is like a weight gainer, because thats whats exactly gonna happen your gonna gain weight--mostly fat. Thats why i like iso with casien for most of the year

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Blazay View Post
    i guess its what you think is high.. to me anything over 20 g per serving is like a weight gainer, because thats whats exactly gonna happen your gonna gain weight--mostly fat. Thats why i like iso with casien for most of the year
    Depends on your metabolism.Mine is extremely high,and I have a physical job.20 carbs in one shake during the day is not enough for me.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Blazay View Post
    dude u do know that whey and muscle milk are 2 different things. Muscle milk is a weight gainer (basically) and whey iso is a protien you use when leaning or maintaining. So obviously youll gain weight off a weight gainer, and youll continue to meet your protien requirements with iso.

    In regards to casien, i think it is worth it, and should be a staple as someone mentioned before.
    Dude...Muscle Milk is a combo of Whey & Casein and MCT/good fats, 300 calories, 12 grams of fat. Have 2 jugs in front of me & just read it to you.

    I have had weight gainers b4, not sure how many calories they have but are definitely much more filling than Muscle Milk.

    People are brainwashed into thinking that Whey on its own is best because they are too stupid to understand they need to eat food every 2-3 hours to remain in an anabolic state and have a steady stream of BCAAs as well as carbs and fats. This is where Casein comes in as it's slow digesting, inclusdes whey protein also for fast digestion and has good fats to burn as energy...got the picture???
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNinja View Post
    So is Casein worth the price difference? Is it actually good to have protein in your stomach throughout the night or is it better for you to have an empty stomach during the night? Will Milk+Whey+fiber+EVOO basically do the same thing?

    Will all these questions, and more, be debated forever?
    No, No-Yes, Yes, No.
    Life is a terminal condition.
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    Slow digestion means it is digesting all night. A stomach that is digesting food all through the night is using some of the bodies energy to digest food. That means it is using energy rather than resting and recovering. May be minor but it is indeed true. This can interfere with your sleep patern. A sleep patern that is interupted in this way can prevent your body from getting into a deep sleep (REM?) required to be rested. Additionally this food interferes with your bodies ability to produce its own natural GH which can also reduce recovery.

    I am not a scientist or biologist. But unless you are eating so poorly and lightly throughout the day this nightime intake is not going to amount to much other than to compensate for the poor food intake while you are awake.

    For those people who claim that when they started taking Casein at night they finally began to grow would have grown just as well had they added that much more protein during their waking hours. Additionally had they just ate a piece of chicken or fish or eggs they would have still gotten the same additional protein without the cost of a premium protein.

    I have just recently used up a 4lb bottle of Casien (I bought it for my mom but she didn't need it) and it has produce nothing more than gas, bloating and frequent nightime urination.

    Unless you are malnurished or sick I see no real benefit and therefore not worth the cost IMHO.
    Life is a terminal condition.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post

    I have just recently used up a 4lb bottle of Casien (I bought it for my mom but she didn't need it) and it has produce nothing more than gas, bloating and frequent nightime urination.
    Can I may make it up to you and send you some good stuff? Not all casein is processed equally and this may be of an advantage to smaller companies.
  

  
 

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