Is Casein worth it? Will this debate rage on forever?
- 04-07-2008, 01:08 PM
Is Casein worth it? Will this debate rage on forever?
So is Casein worth the price difference? Is it actually good to have protein in your stomach throughout the night or is it better for you to have an empty stomach during the night? Will Milk+Whey+fiber+EVOO basically do the same thing?
Will all these questions, and more, be debated forever?
- 04-07-2008, 01:14 PM
- 04-07-2008, 01:17 PM
Yep, the price isnt that much more and you only really need fast digesting protein (whey) post workout.
Casein should be a staple for protein powder when dieting.
04-07-2008, 03:20 PM
I think whey protein is over rated. I love Muscle milk which is a combo of Whey & Casein. I believe whey is great post workout but having a slow digesting protein like Casein in your
is the best because you constantly get aminos released to your muscles between meals. That's why I love muscle milk...gained 15 lbs of muscle since I started using it and receive huge pumps and amazing recovery....never get lactic acid build up anymore, ready to go again next day!
04-07-2008, 06:56 PM
I will buy Casein for one simple reason - it doesnt cause bloating. Heck that itself is a million buck thing. Imagine taking whey protein shake at work as in between meal replacement and feeling gaseous. Worst feeling ever. Casein never has that feeling. Plus it definitely is great as pre-bed protein, much ahead of Whey.
If only Casein wont be as chalky as it often is I would chug whey for most part.
04-07-2008, 07:06 PM
04-07-2008, 07:11 PM
04-07-2008, 07:14 PM
Thanks for the feedback everyone.
04-08-2008, 01:13 AM
04-11-2008, 07:40 AM
Yes, when I have a Casein shake or fat-free cottage cheese pre-bed on a consistent basis I definitely make better gains in size and strength.
I have a whey shake in the late morning and always post-workout.
04-11-2008, 08:06 AM
it's worth it because it keeps you in an anabolic state.
the debate will rage on forever because people are misinformed.
04-11-2008, 11:54 AM
In regards to casien, i think it is worth it, and should be a staple as someone mentioned before.
04-11-2008, 12:00 PM
04-11-2008, 12:04 PM
i think were talking about types of protien, and which are the staple to ones diet Muscle milk vs whey isolate vs etc.. I think most of us know that lean protien such as chicken breasts, eggs, etc are the real stapes to our diets..
04-11-2008, 03:52 PM
I dont think it's needed if you are eating every 2-3 hours and consuming plenty of whole protein sources like you should be doing.
You shouldnt be relying on protein powders anyways for alot of your intake.
That being said I use casein every now and then when I can get a good deal on it.
04-11-2008, 03:53 PM
04-11-2008, 05:25 PM
04-11-2008, 07:40 PM
Why don't you people eat some chicken ,turkey,or fish before you go to bed?It digest slowly and is what you're body is naturally acustomed to.
04-11-2008, 07:45 PM
Cassein is – by far – better than whey. It is anticatabolic in its activity and keeps your system in a constant, slow supply of amino acids. Whey is good as a post workout drink, but BCAAs or even ECAs will do a much better job at only 10g per serving.
04-11-2008, 07:53 PM
04-11-2008, 07:58 PM
Dorian Yates ProPeptide Micellar casein, whey, egg albumen... And tasty
I like the blended protein shakes for the quick deliver and steady supply of aminos as mentioned.
04-11-2008, 08:24 PM
It's good to have it before bed but try not to rely on it. Eggs or grilled chicken with the red burrito salsa, garlic powder, and Montreal seasoning is much better
04-11-2008, 09:13 PM
muscle milk has a **** load of carbs like a weight gainer, so its like a weight gainer to me.
04-11-2008, 09:19 PM
04-11-2008, 09:21 PM
i guess its what you think is high.. to me anything over 20 g per serving is like a weight gainer, because thats whats exactly gonna happen your gonna gain weight--mostly fat. Thats why i like iso with casien for most of the year
04-11-2008, 09:51 PM
04-12-2008, 05:30 PM
I have had weight gainers b4, not sure how many calories they have but are definitely much more filling than Muscle Milk.
People are brainwashed into thinking that Whey on its own is best because they are too stupid to understand they need to eat food every 2-3 hours to remain in an anabolic state and have a steady stream of BCAAs as well as carbs and fats. This is where Casein comes in as it's slow digesting, inclusdes whey protein also for fast digestion and has good fats to burn as energy...got the picture???
04-12-2008, 07:03 PM
04-12-2008, 07:22 PM
Slow digestion means it is digesting all night. A stomach that is digesting food all through the night is using some of the bodies energy to digest food. That means it is using energy rather than resting and recovering. May be minor but it is indeed true. This can interfere with your sleep patern. A sleep patern that is interupted in this way can prevent your body from getting into a deep sleep (REM?) required to be rested. Additionally this food interferes with your bodies ability to produce its own natural GH which can also reduce recovery.
I am not a scientist or biologist. But unless you are eating so poorly and lightly throughout the day this nightime intake is not going to amount to much other than to compensate for the poor food intake while you are awake.
For those people who claim that when they started taking Casein at night they finally began to grow would have grown just as well had they added that much more protein during their waking hours. Additionally had they just ate a piece of chicken or fish or eggs they would have still gotten the same additional protein without the cost of a premium protein.
I have just recently used up a 4lb bottle of Casien (I bought it for my mom but she didn't need it) and it has produce nothing more than gas, bloating and frequent nightime urination.
Unless you are malnurished or sick I see no real benefit and therefore not worth the cost IMHO.
04-12-2008, 11:43 PM
04-13-2008, 12:11 AM
Well...all i can say is some of us must be more sensitive as others! I've switched to Muscle Milke few months ago which is Whey and Casein and have found the combo is much better than Whey alone. Whey on it's own always did very little for me. The Casein seems to keep me in an anabolic state which is what I want...more muscle and more leaness!
I'm sure you've read that your muscles must be fed every 3 hours or so. Well for most of us this is not practical or possible...we are not professional athletes and live very busy lives...this is where Casein ROCKS! Amino acids contiuously being fed to your muscles even when you cannot eat...this can mean while you are sleeping if this what U need or thuout the day in between meal. Casein acts as part of that meal....slowly digesting and continuously feeding your muscles
instead of a quick one time shot of protein like whey protein.
The best protien is a combination of both high quality proteins along with good fats for energy and fatburning.
04-13-2008, 12:53 AM
How about micellar casein. That seems to be the really expensive stuff. What are opinions on how much better it is than normal casein?
Maybe people here mean micellar casein when they say casein. In that case, how about which products have the most real micellar casein for the money? That's what I'd like to know.
04-13-2008, 01:43 AM
for slow digesting protein during the day i prefer cottage cheese with some oats and a little jam. will keep you full for hours, and you dont have to drink processed powder. at night, just the cottage cheese. but still, not too close to bed time.
lately ive also found myself having better gains in strength and body composition when i have a nice big meal preworkout including about 40-50 grams of lean protein, and about 35-40 grams of slow digesting carbs. then about the same meal about 30 mins post workout. rather than using whey or some "all-in-one" powder. i guess ive just been trying to stay away from powders as best i can, using them strictly for in a hurry type meals.
tho i gotta say, i like pro complex for powder. nice blend, and tastes good with milk for a slower digesting shake. usually have that with some milk, oats, and natty pb for a meal if i cant get in whole food.
04-13-2008, 02:37 PM
04-13-2008, 06:53 PM
It is a good post B5150.But about the first part,I have thrown up chunks of steak in the morning from the night before.What i'm getting at is I think you are already digesting food throughout the night.I also eat imediately before bed and drink a protien shake when I go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.I personally see this as helping with the recovery process.
04-13-2008, 07:07 PM
04-13-2008, 07:14 PM
04-13-2008, 07:16 PM
eating in middle of the night works for Jay Cutler.
04-13-2008, 07:25 PM
Just because a pro bodybuilder does it doesn't make it right. Also, a lot of things they say, they are paid to say. The only time I have heard or read something about drinking casein before bed is from COMPANIES SELLING PROTEIN!.
Try not eating or drinking at least 3-4 hours before sleep and see how much better sleep you get. Better sleep = better recovery. Another thing, why do you think they call your first meal breakFAST. It is because you are "Breaking" your "fast" which is NEEDED overnight during sleep in which the body produces Growth Hormone......Read up more about sleep and what goes on with you body at night during sleep, especially REM sleep. You need this Fast at night!.
04-13-2008, 07:32 PM
If you have thrown up chunks in the morning that means that it has sat in your stomach all night long. That is undigested and/or semi-digested food.
Digestion takes place in the intestines. It takes three to five hours for that semi-digested food to slowly be released from the stomach into the intestines. That is where digestion (nutrient absorption) takes place.
That food in your stomach did nothing for you between the time you ate it and threw it up the next morning. The natural process of movement, gravity and so forth is what helps the body move food through it. Laying horizontal on an full stomach of food will leave it sitting there in the stomach just as you discovered when you threw it back up.
Eat the same amount of food that you would have included in those almost-in-bed-meals while you are awake and vertical and process it through the stomach that three to five hours before bed. Then that will let the body use the nutrients that are absorbed by the intestines that are then flowing through your bloodstream to heal, recover, restore and grow your body. Not to mention that it makes the cardiac sphincter more susceptible to opening and causing acid reflux (heartburn) and GERD when you sleep on a full stomach.
Most will do what they want and like because they think it is what to do because such and such company markets this and that type of protein for this and that time of day. Or even worse the big guy at the gym or on the board does it yet you have no idea whether or not it has anything at all to do with his physique because some guys just grow on ****ty diets regardless.
I promise you if you are getting in 300g (or whatever your amount may be) of protein a day into your body you will be in positive nitrogen balance all day and your body will not suffer one little bit for those 4 to 6 or even 8 hours before you wake again to eat.
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