[luclyluciano]

Well...all i can say is some of us must be more sensitive as others! I've switched to Muscle Milke few months ago which is Whey and Casein and have found the combo is much better than Whey alone. Whey on it's own always did very little for me. The Casein seems to keep me in an anabolic state which is what I want...more muscle and more leaness!

I'm sure you've read that your muscles must be fed every 3 hours or so. Well for most of us this is not practical or possible...we are not professional athletes and live very busy lives...this is where Casein ROCKS! Amino acids contiuously being fed to your muscles even when you cannot eat...this can mean while you are sleeping if this what U need or thuout the day in between meal. Casein acts as part of that meal....slowly digesting and continuously feeding your muscles
instead of a quick one time shot of protein like whey protein.

The best protien is a combination of both high quality proteins along with good fats for energy and fatburning.

[vkg1]

How about micellar casein. That seems to be the really expensive stuff. What are opinions on how much better it is than normal casein?

Maybe people here mean micellar casein when they say casein. In that case, how about which products have the most real micellar casein for the money? That's what I'd like to know.

[rolandajoint]

Originally Posted by B5150

Slow digestion means it is digesting all night. A stomach that is digesting food all through the night is using some of the bodies energy to digest food. That means it is using energy rather than resting and recovering. May be minor but it is indeed true. This can interfere with your sleep patern. A sleep patern that is interupted in this way can prevent your body from getting into a deep sleep (REM?) required to be rested. Additionally this food interferes with your bodies ability to produce its own natural GH which can also reduce recovery.

I am not a scientist or biologist. But unless you are eating so poorly and lightly throughout the day this nightime intake is not going to amount to much other than to compensate for the poor food intake while you are awake.

For those people who claim that when they started taking Casein at night they finally began to grow would have grown just as well had they added that much more protein during their waking hours. Additionally had they just ate a piece of chicken or fish or eggs they would have still gotten the same additional protein without the cost of a premium protein.

I have just recently used up a 4lb bottle of Casien (I bought it for my mom but she didn't need it) and it has produce nothing more than gas, bloating and frequent nightime urination.

Unless you are malnurished or sick I see no real benefit and therefore not worth the cost IMHO.

for slow digesting protein during the day i prefer cottage cheese with some oats and a little jam. will keep you full for hours, and you dont have to drink processed powder. at night, just the cottage cheese. but still, not too close to bed time.

lately ive also found myself having better gains in strength and body composition when i have a nice big meal preworkout including about 40-50 grams of lean protein, and about 35-40 grams of slow digesting carbs. then about the same meal about 30 mins post workout. rather than using whey or some "all-in-one" powder. i guess ive just been trying to stay away from powders as best i can, using them strictly for in a hurry type meals.

tho i gotta say, i like pro complex for powder. nice blend, and tastes good with milk for a slower digesting shake. usually have that with some milk, oats, and natty pb for a meal if i cant get in whole food.

[T-Bone]

Originally Posted by B5150

Slow digestion means it is digesting all night. A stomach that is digesting food all through the night is using some of the bodies energy to digest food. That means it is using energy rather than resting and recovering. May be minor but it is indeed true. This can interfere with your sleep patern. A sleep patern that is interupted in this way can prevent your body from getting into a deep sleep (REM?) required to be rested. Additionally this food interferes with your bodies ability to produce its own natural GH which can also reduce recovery.

I am not a scientist or biologist. But unless you are eating so poorly and lightly throughout the day this nightime intake is not going to amount to much other than to compensate for the poor food intake while you are awake.

For those people who claim that when they started taking Casein at night they finally began to grow would have grown just as well had they added that much more protein during their waking hours. Additionally had they just ate a piece of chicken or fish or eggs they would have still gotten the same additional protein without the cost of a premium protein.

I have just recently used up a 4lb bottle of Casien (I bought it for my mom but she didn't need it) and it has produce nothing more than gas, bloating and frequent nightime urination.

Unless you are malnurished or sick I see no real benefit and therefore not worth the cost IMHO.

I agree,

Casein Pre bed no more!

[pantera101]

It is a good post B5150.But about the first part,I have thrown up chunks of steak in the morning from the night before.What i'm getting at is I think you are already digesting food throughout the night.I also eat imediately before bed and drink a protien shake when I go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.I personally see this as helping with the recovery process.

[T-Bone]

Originally Posted by pantera101

It is a good post B5150.But about the first part,I have thrown up chunks of steak in the morning from the night before.What i'm getting at is I think you are already digesting food throughout the night.I also eat imediately before bed and drink a protien shake when I go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.I personally see this as helping with the recovery process.

No, it will hinder your recovery not help it!. You should stop eating at least 3-4 hours before sleep.

[pantera101]

Originally Posted by T-Bone

No, it will hinder your recovery not help it!. You should stop eating at least 3-4 hours before sleep.

Are you serious man?(not being a douche,calm social mannered)I have heard bb'rs telling others to eat some clean meat before bed instead of drinking a fast digesting protien.Thats also where I got the idea about the middle of the night protien shake.I know pro bb'rs have the best genetics in the world and are juiced like crazy,but I take advice like this to the heart from those people.They(most anyways from today)know their sh!t when it comes to diet and training.Also sometimes I make up for a bad cal day by eating more before I go to bed.So it can just sit and feed the muscles while i'm sleeping.

[luclyluciano]

eating in middle of the night works for Jay Cutler.

[T-Bone]

Originally Posted by pantera101

Are you serious man?(not being a douche,calm social mannered)I have heard bb'rs telling others to eat some clean meat before bed instead of drinking a fast digesting protien.Thats also where I got the idea about the middle of the night protien shake.I know pro bb'rs have the best genetics in the world and are juiced like crazy,but I take advice like this to the heart from those people.They(most anyways from today)know their sh!t when it comes to diet and training.Also sometimes I make up for a bad cal day by eating more before I go to bed.So it can just sit and feed the muscles while i'm sleeping.

Just because a pro bodybuilder does it doesn't make it right. Also, a lot of things they say, they are paid to say. The only time I have heard or read something about drinking casein before bed is from COMPANIES SELLING PROTEIN!.


Try not eating or drinking at least 3-4 hours before sleep and see how much better sleep you get. Better sleep = better recovery. Another thing, why do you think they call your first meal breakFAST. It is because you are "Breaking" your "fast" which is NEEDED overnight during sleep in which the body produces Growth Hormone......Read up more about sleep and what goes on with you body at night during sleep, especially REM sleep. You need this Fast at night!.

[B5150]

Originally Posted by pantera101

It is a good post B5150.But about the first part,I have thrown up chunks of steak in the morning from the night before.What i'm getting at is I think you are already digesting food throughout the night.I also eat imediately before bed and drink a protien shake when I go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.I personally see this as helping with the recovery process.

You are sort of affirming my point in a way.

If you have thrown up chunks in the morning that means that it has sat in your stomach all night long. That is undigested and/or semi-digested food.

Digestion takes place in the intestines. It takes three to five hours for that semi-digested food to slowly be released from the stomach into the intestines. That is where digestion (nutrient absorption) takes place.

That food in your stomach did nothing for you between the time you ate it and threw it up the next morning. The natural process of movement, gravity and so forth is what helps the body move food through it. Laying horizontal on an full stomach of food will leave it sitting there in the stomach just as you discovered when you threw it back up.

Eat the same amount of food that you would have included in those almost-in-bed-meals while you are awake and vertical and process it through the stomach that three to five hours before bed. Then that will let the body use the nutrients that are absorbed by the intestines that are then flowing through your bloodstream to heal, recover, restore and grow your body. Not to mention that it makes the cardiac sphincter more susceptible to opening and causing acid reflux (heartburn) and GERD when you sleep on a full stomach.

Most will do what they want and like because they think it is what to do because such and such company markets this and that type of protein for this and that time of day. Or even worse the big guy at the gym or on the board does it yet you have no idea whether or not it has anything at all to do with his physique because some guys just grow on shitty diets regardless.

I promise you if you are getting in 300g (or whatever your amount may be) of protein a day into your body you will be in positive nitrogen balance all day and your body will not suffer one little bit for those 4 to 6 or even 8 hours before you wake again to eat.

[pantera101]

Originally Posted by T-Bone

Just because a pro bodybuilder does it doesn't make it right. Also, a lot of things they say, they are paid to say. The only time I have heard or read something about drinking casein before bed is from COMPANIES SELLING PROTEIN!.


Try not eating or drinking at least 3-4 hours before sleep and see how much better sleep you get. Better sleep = better recovery. Another thing, why do you think they call your first meal breakFAST. It is because you are "Breaking" your "fast" which is NEEDED overnight during sleep in which the body produces Growth Hormone......Read up more about sleep and what goes on with you body at night during sleep, especially REM sleep. You need this Fast at night!.

I know they are paid to say things but not to eat before bed instead of drinking a shake.It would be the other way around,They would even tell you what type of shake to drink.The one that paid them to say it ofcourse.It's all making me think though,I'll look into it.That why I love this site!

[pantera101]

Originally Posted by B5150

You are sort of affirming my point in a way.

If you have thrown up chunks in the morning that means that it has sat in your stomach all night long. That is undigested and/or semi-digested food.

Digestion takes place in the intestines. It takes three to five hours for that semi-digested food to slowly be released from the stomach into the intestines. That is where digestion (nutrient absorption) takes place.

That food in your stomach did nothing for you between the time you ate it and threw it up the next morning. The natural process of movement, gravity and so forth is what helps the body move food through it. Laying horizontal on an full stomach of food will leave it sitting there in the stomach just as you discovered when you threw it back up.

Eat the same amount of food that you would have included in those almost-in-bed-meals while you are awake and vertical and process it through the stomach that three to five hours before bed. Then that will let the body use the nutrients that are absorbed by the intestines that are then flowing through your bloodstream to heal, recover, restore and grow your body. Not to mention that it makes the cardiac sphincter more susceptible to opening and causing acid reflux (heartburn) and GERD.

Most will do what they want and like because they think it is what to do because such and such company markets this and that type of protein for this and that time of day. Or even worse the big guy at the gym or on the board does it yet you have no idea whether or not it has anything at all to do with his physique because some guys just grow on shitty diets regardless.

I promise you if you are getting in 300g (or whatever your amount may be) of protein a day into your body you will be in positive nitrogen balance all day and your body will not suffer one little bit for those 4 to 6 or even 8 hours before you wake again to eat.

I get heartburn too,so it could help with that.Also,i'm not advocating a protien drink before bed.It was clean food.Now i'm not sure about that anymore.I will try it later.I have been eating before bed and drinking a middle of the night protien shake for a while now.I'm on m-drol though is why I wont try it now.

[TheUnlikelyToad]

This is just my experience, so take it for what it's worth. When I diet, I diet hard... mostly to make up tha difference in my lack of cardio. Over tha past year or so I've experimented with various protein type and forms. Due to my job title and responsibilites I've recieved copious amounts of powdered proteins and tested each with my specific training regimen and diet. In fact, I've gone as far as went several days / weeks consuming nothing but powder and nuts out of my own person conviction. I've used casein to replicate tha slow digestion process of a real meal. In my mind it is worth it. Am I eating 300 g of protein a day, certainly not. I wouldn't be able to fit much more food into tha equation at my size, plus I like to maintain ketosis whenever possible. Is casein worth it in my eye, yes. I have been down that road and have seen effects first hand, especially when going up against whey by itself... Not to mention most recently there has been a study or two done that has shown Whey + Casein to be more effective than just Whey in terms of recovery. It'll try to locate it and post it if others are curious.

Regardless IMHO nothing will ever trump solid food.