the new 3 ad

Page 2 of 4 First 1234 Last

  1. Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    what's the difference if you're going to gain the same in 4 weeks as you'd gain in 10? and isn't 10 kind of long to run that? i thought up to 8 weeks was possible but only 6 was suggested?
    the faster you gain , the faster you loose...
    But without trying 3-ad I cant have a real opinion about it.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    Less feeling like ****, hardly no back pumps, doesnt mess with ur liver values crazy bad. A much enjoyable ride, also when you cycle for 4 weeks your body cant adjust to its new weight which is why some people lose gains where if you stretch it out they are much easier attained.
    true. and we don't have to hear people keep debating about whether to use nolva or an ATD
    •   
       


  3. Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    what's the difference if you're going to gain the same in 4 weeks as you'd gain in 10? and isn't 10 kind of long to run that? i thought up to 8 weeks was possible but only 6 was suggested?
    Who is saying that 4 weeks of pheraplex = 10 weeks of 3-AD?

    Less than 8 is recommended because you start getting into longer cycles, and OTC PCT isn't gonna cut it.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    Who is saying that 4 weeks of pheraplex = 10 weeks of 3-AD?

    Less than 8 is recommended because you start getting into longer cycles, and OTC PCT isn't gonna cut it.
    just assuming that something less powerful run longer will yield the same results as something stronger run less

  5. Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    just assuming that something less powerful run longer will yield the same results as something stronger run less
    I can see where you may be coming from, however the math still doesn't add up. Though there may be that single comparision with phera and such, compounds being different in this case would not equal a "less is the same as more" value. Add to that the combined effectiveness of the ingredients in 3-AD, as reported by all of the testers thus far, and you have a safer, cleaner, dryer, and more friendly prohormone that yields fast results without the headache of supports or complicated PCTs.
    -RecoverBro Zombie Specialist and Paracord Wrangler
    -Independent due to lies that hurt my family. Loyal to myself and my Bro's.
    •   
       


  6. Quote Originally Posted by timdull2 View Post
    I can see where you may be coming from, however the math still doesn't add up. Though there may be that single comparision with phera and such, compounds being different in this case would not equal a "less is the same as more" value. Add to that the combined effectiveness of the ingredients in 3-AD, as reported by all of the testers thus far, and you have a safer, cleaner, dryer, and more friendly prohormone that yields fast results without the headache of supports or complicated PCTs.
    got ya. but i still want the original

  7. Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    just assuming that something less powerful run longer will yield the same results as something stronger run less
    At this point, they can't really be quantified, as the testers haven't even finished their cycles yet. So far, the testers have been fairly impressed with their gains.

    I think our biggest gainer has put on 13lbs so far, and he's just rounding his second week.

  8. Is 3ad out now? new version of course

  9. For the love of God and all that is holy, GIVE ME 3-AD!!!!

    will it be sold in tangible storeslike vitamin shoppe?????

  10. Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    At this point, they can't really be quantified, as the testers haven't even finished their cycles yet. So far, the testers have been fairly impressed with their gains.

    I think our biggest gainer has put on 13lbs so far, and he's just rounding his second week.
    i saw the same thing being said when people were "testing" the original formula

  11. Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    i saw the same thing being said when people were "testing" the original formula
    As one of said original testers who became a rep months afterwards, I can say that this is NOT going to happen this time. If it does, I'll mail you my dog. (And Sinner knows how I feel about my dog.)

    There's not going to be any sort of SNAFU this time, so no worries. Keep checking NP for it. You'll see it very very very very soon!!!!

    btw: Why the hate, bro? We're just tryin to do right by ya! Things just take time - like filling out paperwork and writing code... It's cool, I understand.
    -RecoverBro Zombie Specialist and Paracord Wrangler
    -Independent due to lies that hurt my family. Loyal to myself and my Bro's.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Hank Vangut View Post
    here is how i see it:
    phera (methyl) = 4 wk run
    3ad (non methyl) = 10 wk run

    + i can see 3ad stacking nicely with many other compounds.

    longer cycles are king!
    Well said hankie. 3-AD should stack VERY well with Havoc imho!!

    Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
    Legendary


  13. Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    true. and we don't have to hear people keep debating about whether to use nolva or an ATD
    Go over to BB.com, plenty of 17 year olds debating that over there..

    Anyway, I'm pretty interested now. I was trying to resist but it just sounds really good. I am still skeptical though. I also remember hearing about big weight gain from testers on the original formula. I want to have faith in you AX, I do, but all this hype is almost starting to sound too good to be true..

    But, it does sound really good, and with the mystery new 1AD from Ergo nowhere in sight, I might give this a shot. When do we get a full writeup?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Well said hankie. 3-AD should stack VERY well with Havoc imho!!
    Shameless plug haha

    j/k T
    Armed to the teeth.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
    Shameless plug haha

    j/k T
    Well i can say i'll be running that bad boy sometime soon.

    Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
    Legendary


  16. Quote Originally Posted by timdull2 View Post
    As one of said original testers who became a rep months afterwards, I can say that this is NOT going to happen this time. If it does, I'll mail you my dog. (And Sinner knows how I feel about my dog.)

    There's not going to be any sort of SNAFU this time, so no worries. Keep checking NP for it. You'll see it very very very very soon!!!!

    btw: Why the hate, bro? We're just tryin to do right by ya! Things just take time - like filling out paperwork and writing code... It's cool, I understand.
    there's no hate. u just hear a lot of crap about supplements. i've taken superdrol pheraplex mass fx hyperdrol retain and your guys pct products and have loved all of them. i regard u as one of the few companies who actually put out a product that lives up to the hype. just this situation seems a little fishy. i did buy the bulk adrenosterone from CNW and loved it but the dosing wasn't as high as what was supposed to be in 3ad. so i've been waiting for this to come out as a cheaper alternative. thanks for answering my questions i really appreciate it.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    The main active is 2-androstenol acetate, which is essentially pheraplex without the methyl. Similar in effect, however a ton less sides.

    The ester was added to increase oral bioavailability, as no ester would give you anabolic poop. (i.e. very little oral absorption).
    Do you have anything on the hepatoxicity of a compound such as this with esterification? With esterification, it's still going to have some toxicity since it's allowing it to pass through the liver, right??

    Like T1 said, looks like a sweet compound to stack w/ Havoc... I may have to plan that for the future
    Last edited by GuitarHero; 04-04-2008 at 04:40 AM. Reason: misremembered

  18. Quote Originally Posted by GuitarHero View Post
    Do you have anything on the hepatoxicity of a compound such as this with esterification? With esterification, it's still going to have some toxicity since it's allowing it to pass through the liver, right??
    Actually, I don't think this should be a problem at all. We're priding ourselves on the high safety factor involved with 3-AD. It's not a methyl, which is good. The PCT is aPCT, which is easy. And the reported sides from testers thus far only include increased sweating, a touch of bloatedness, and a temperature increase. All of these seem to have subsided after the first week and the gains in strength are coming out now. ViperSpit and TTewell are doing it on a cut and noting some slimming affects with it. Hank Vangut is seeing vascularity where he hasn't before. All feel prolonged muscle fullness well after lifting. All in all, I don't think toxicity is going to be an issue. That's a good thing!!
    -RecoverBro Zombie Specialist and Paracord Wrangler
    -Independent due to lies that hurt my family. Loyal to myself and my Bro's.

  19. Since it's essentially unmethylated PP. Is it still just as androgenic? I don't want to lose my precious hair

  20. Quote Originally Posted by adil View Post
    Since it's essentially unmethylated PP. Is it still just as androgenic? I don't want to lose my precious hair
    Ok, let's clarify a bit, shall we? It's not "essentially unmethylated PP"...it's a different product. I think that folks are focusing so much one one aspect of the product that you're missing the whole picture. I'm not 200lbs of water in a meat suit, I'm a person. It's not a chocolate bar if it has eggs, flour, water, and leavening in it - it's a cake. One part of the formula may be as such, but it should not negate the rest of the ingredients in the package. Don't focus on the boobs, or you just might miss that phenominal arse!!

    And I really don't think that you'll be losing any hair over this stuff. Losing sleep at sold-out presales? Perhaps. No hype there, just truth that things are going quickly and the call volume at HQ for this is unbelievable. One production run is done, and another is already being slated for the anticipated demand. (Just hope that someone saves some for me!)
    -RecoverBro Zombie Specialist and Paracord Wrangler
    -Independent due to lies that hurt my family. Loyal to myself and my Bro's.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by timdull2 View Post
    Ok, let's clarify a bit, shall we? It's not "essentially unmethylated PP"...it's a different product. I think that folks are focusing so much one one aspect of the product that you're missing the whole picture. I'm not 200lbs of water in a meat suit, I'm a person. It's not a chocolate bar if it has eggs, flour, water, and leavening in it - it's a cake. One part of the formula may be as such, but it should not negate the rest of the ingredients in the package. Don't focus on the boobs, or you just might miss that phenominal arse!!

    And I really don't think that you'll be losing any hair over this stuff. Losing sleep at sold-out presales? Perhaps. No hype there, just truth that things are going quickly and the call volume at HQ for this is unbelievable. One production run is done, and another is already being slated for the anticipated demand. (Just hope that someone saves some for me!)
    I agree , the methylation process can alter the characteristics of a compound(just look at d-bol and equipose) so making comparisons can in fact be a waste of time...
    In the meantime congratulations to AX for the release of a totally NEW compound(I was really tired with the attack of the clones)

  22. Quote Originally Posted by nunes View Post
    hi sinner, good to see you answering the new 3-ad questions...
    and 3α-hydroxy-5α-androstan-17-one is this a prohormone to dht?
    any idea about the bioavailability of this compound?
    LegalGear can speak better to this, but I believe he said that there is an abundance of the 17b-HSD enzyme in the gut, which will change the 17-one into a 17-ol. From this point, when the new hormone meets with 3b-HSD (not sure which tissues this occurs in), this will change the 3-ol to 3-one, giving you 17b-hydroxy-5α-androstan-3-one - aka - DHT.

    So the 2 step process is:

    3α-hydroxy-5α-androstan-17-one + 17-hsd

    3α-hydroxy-5α-androstan-17b-ol + 3-hsd

    5α-androstan-3-one-17b-ol aka DHT

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Mass_69 View Post
    LegalGear can speak better to this, but I believe he said that there is an abundance of the 17b-HSD enzyme in the gut, which will change the 17-one into a 17-ol. From this point, when the new hormone meets with 3b-HSD (not sure which tissues this occurs in), this will change the 3-ol to 3-one, giving you 17b-hydroxy-5α-androstan-3-one - aka - DHT.

    So the 2 step process is:

    3α-hydroxy-5α-androstan-17-one + 17-hsd

    3α-hydroxy-5α-androstan-17b-ol + 3-hsd

    5α-androstan-3-one-17b-ol aka DHT
    Is this thing the same of methyl masterdrol?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by GuitarHero View Post
    Do you have anything on the hepatoxicity of a compound such as this with esterification? With esterification, it's still going to have some toxicity since it's allowing it to pass through the liver, right??

    Like T1 said, looks like a sweet compound to stack w/ Havoc... I may have to plan that for the future
    Anything that goes into your bloodstream passes through the liver. The issue with methyls is that they refuse to react with liver enzymes. This will not be an issue with 3-AD.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by timdull2 View Post
    Ok, let's clarify a bit, shall we? It's not "essentially unmethylated PP"...it's a different product. I think that folks are focusing so much one one aspect of the product that you're missing the whole picture. I'm not 200lbs of water in a meat suit, I'm a person. It's not a chocolate bar if it has eggs, flour, water, and leavening in it - it's a cake. One part of the formula may be as such, but it should not negate the rest of the ingredients in the package. Don't focus on the boobs, or you just might miss that phenominal arse!!

    And I really don't think that you'll be losing any hair over this stuff. Losing sleep at sold-out presales? Perhaps. No hype there, just truth that things are going quickly and the call volume at HQ for this is unbelievable. One production run is done, and another is already being slated for the anticipated demand. (Just hope that someone saves some for me!)
    Ok, fair point. Don't suppose you have A:A ratios?

  26. Can you tell us if any of the testers are also running blodwork before or at least plan to do so after?

    I don't want to be a downer the product sounds great and I am looking forward to it.

    Thanks for any information or links you can provide!
    Last edited by rcaz01; 04-05-2008 at 02:22 AM. Reason: Removed my bad info about another product

  27. i'm going to try and get some post cycle blood work done.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by adil View Post
    Ok, fair point. Don't suppose you have A:A ratios?
    Sorry, bro, not as of yet. Matt's working on that stuff to get up. The web design guy is going to be putting that stuff up on the 3-AD info page for all to see, and I'm assuming such information will be found there...unless of course Matt shows up with an answer here first.

    But we'll find out for ya! I'm just not recalling it anything off the top of my head. (Been a l-o-n-g day! )
    -RecoverBro Zombie Specialist and Paracord Wrangler
    -Independent due to lies that hurt my family. Loyal to myself and my Bro's.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Hank Vangut View Post
    i'm going to try and get some post cycle blood work done.

    Sounds good I subbed to your thread...Dont know how I missed it, very entertaining!

    You said you have been bulking for awhile, if I bulked like you I would never have to cut weight. Good work!
  •   

      
     

Log in
Log in