what is the most effective 8 week test supplement?
- 04-11-2008, 07:28 PM
- 04-11-2008, 07:31 PM
I would personally recommend 6OXO to a first timer. If they go straight to powerful test boosters the sheer aggression would make them go nuts.
04-11-2008, 07:41 PM
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04-12-2008, 06:34 PM
How about an 8-weeker of the old Jungle Warfare? What is the mechanism of action with the ingredients in it?
04-12-2008, 10:07 PM
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04-13-2008, 12:17 AM
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04-13-2008, 01:55 PM
04-13-2008, 01:57 PM
I cant find it so far, but i did find this..... shows no body comp change.
Even though FT was increased, est was only slightly inhibited, and body comp had no statistical change...
Effects of eight weeks of an alleged aromatase inhibiting nutritional supplement 6-OXO (androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione) on serum hormone profiles and clinical safety markers in resistance-trained, eugonadal males.(Research article). Author(s)an Rohle, Colin Wilborn, Lem Taylor, Chris Mulligan, Richard Kreider and Darryn Willoughby. Source:Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition 4.13 (Oct 19, 2007): p13. (4996 words) Document Type:Magazine/Journal Bookmark:Bookmark this Document DOI:Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition | Full text | Effects of eight weeks of an alleged aromatase inhibiting nutritional supplement 6-OXO (androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione) on serum hormone profiles and clinical safety markers in resis Library Links:
The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of 6-OXO, a purported nutritional aromatase inhibitor, in a dose dependent manner on body composition, serum hormone levels, and clinical safety markers in resistance trained males. Sixteen males were supplemented with either 300 mg or 600 mg of 6-OXO in a double-blind manner for eight weeks. Blood and urine samples were obtained at weeks 0, 1, 3, 8, and 11 (after a 3-week washout period). Blood samples were analyzed for total testosterone (TT), free testosterone (FT), dihydrotestosterone (DHT), estradiol, estriol, estrone, SHBG, leutinizing hormone (LH), follicle stimulating hormone (FSH), growth hormone (GH), cortisol, FT/estradiol (T/E). Blood and urine were also analyzed for clinical chemistry markers. Data were analyzed with two-way MANOVA. For all of the serum hormones, there were no significant differences between groups (p > 0.05). Compared to baseline, free testosterone underwent overall increases of 90% for 300 mg 6-OXO and 84% for 600 mg, respectively (p [less than] 0.05). DHT underwent significant overall increases (p [less than] 0.05) of 192% and 265% with 300 mg and 600 mg, respectively. T/E increased 53% and 67% for 300 mg and 600 mg 6-OXO, respectively. For estrone, 300 mg produced an overall increase of 22%, whereas 600 mg caused a 52% increase (p [less than] 0.05). Body composition did not change with supplementation (p > 0.05) and clinical safety markers were not adversely affected with ingestion of either supplement dose (p > 0.05). While neither of the 6-OXO dosages appears to have any negative effects on clinical chemistry markers, supplementation at a daily dosage of 300 mg and 600 mg for eight weeks did not completely inhibit aromatase activity, yet significantly increased FT, DHT, and T/E.
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04-13-2008, 02:01 PM
hey grila, what about supderdrol NG, i really like AX stuff if you couldnt tell. Would NG make a good stack with other stuff
04-13-2008, 02:04 PM
04-13-2008, 02:10 PM
What do u think of this? any additions or changes
Superdrol NG- 4 weeks 4 pills a day
Mass FX- 4 weeks 4 pills a day
Retain 4 weeks 3 pills a day
Advanced PCT 3 pills a day
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04-13-2008, 04:19 PM
Why doesnt superdrol ng need aPCT? and do you have a log or something of the stack you outlined? I think im also gonna add citruline malate, Alcar, ALA, creatine mono, Taurine, Cissus, BCAA and AAKG.
-X factor 50 days
-2 Bottles of Mass fx
-2 Bottles of Alpha drive xl
-2 Bottles of NOW DIM
-bulk Beta Alanine
04-13-2008, 05:13 PM
i never logged the stack, i did log the new massfx (im in love with it).
SDNG doesn't need a pct because all it is DHEA and some pre-workout mix. DHEA needs no pct. or anti-e in my opinion. if you were doing something like 3-ad then you would need a full spectrum pct consisting of a S.E.R.M. and support supps.
The stuff that you mentioned above that you want to add in would be to much. keep the stack simple. If you wanted to add in anything to the stack at in the BCAA'S. dont do the ala because it will mess with the Xfactor, causing it to not work.
04-13-2008, 05:18 PM
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