what is the most effective 8 week test supplement?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Saurabh View Post
    Thanks! Much appreciated.

    Damn is there any test booster that doesnt cause hair loss!!

    no problem, thank you for not getting angry.


  2. would retain 2 have the same effect as DIM
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    would retain 2 have the same effect as DIM

    no, retain2 is a cort blocker and dim will help make better estrogen for building muscle.
    although, retain2 is also great for building muscle too. if u would like to add it in do it.

  4. How about an 8-weeker of the old Jungle Warfare? What is the mechanism of action with the ingredients in it?

  5. uh ive heard some bad things about that.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    uh ive heard some bad things about that.
    What have you heard?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by AM07 View Post
    What have you heard?

    so many people what to know whats in it. some say a steroid, methyl atd and some say what ever they dont care!

  8. Are you talking about the new or old formula?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by AM07 View Post
    Are you talking about the new or old formula?

    either, there both the same main active.

  10. I cant find it so far, but i did find this..... shows no body comp change.

    Even though FT was increased, est was only slightly inhibited, and body comp had no statistical change...


    Effects of eight weeks of an alleged aromatase inhibiting nutritional supplement 6-OXO (androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione) on serum hormone profiles and clinical safety markers in resistance-trained, eugonadal males.(Research article). Author(s)an Rohle, Colin Wilborn, Lem Taylor, Chris Mulligan, Richard Kreider and Darryn Willoughby. Source:Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition 4.13 (Oct 19, 2007): p13. (4996 words) Document Type:Magazine/Journal Bookmark:Bookmark this Document DOI:Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition | Full text | Effects of eight weeks of an alleged aromatase inhibiting nutritional supplement 6-OXO (androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione) on serum hormone profiles and clinical safety markers in resis Library Links:
    Abstract:
    The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of 6-OXO, a purported nutritional aromatase inhibitor, in a dose dependent manner on body composition, serum hormone levels, and clinical safety markers in resistance trained males. Sixteen males were supplemented with either 300 mg or 600 mg of 6-OXO in a double-blind manner for eight weeks. Blood and urine samples were obtained at weeks 0, 1, 3, 8, and 11 (after a 3-week washout period). Blood samples were analyzed for total testosterone (TT), free testosterone (FT), dihydrotestosterone (DHT), estradiol, estriol, estrone, SHBG, leutinizing hormone (LH), follicle stimulating hormone (FSH), growth hormone (GH), cortisol, FT/estradiol (T/E). Blood and urine were also analyzed for clinical chemistry markers. Data were analyzed with two-way MANOVA. For all of the serum hormones, there were no significant differences between groups (p > 0.05). Compared to baseline, free testosterone underwent overall increases of 90% for 300 mg 6-OXO and 84% for 600 mg, respectively (p [less than] 0.05). DHT underwent significant overall increases (p [less than] 0.05) of 192% and 265% with 300 mg and 600 mg, respectively. T/E increased 53% and 67% for 300 mg and 600 mg 6-OXO, respectively. For estrone, 300 mg produced an overall increase of 22%, whereas 600 mg caused a 52% increase (p [less than] 0.05). Body composition did not change with supplementation (p > 0.05) and clinical safety markers were not adversely affected with ingestion of either supplement dose (p > 0.05). While neither of the 6-OXO dosages appears to have any negative effects on clinical chemistry markers, supplementation at a daily dosage of 300 mg and 600 mg for eight weeks did not completely inhibit aromatase activity, yet significantly increased FT, DHT, and T/E.
    Full Text :COPYRIGHT 2007 BioMed Central Ltd.

  11. hey grila, what about supderdrol NG, i really like AX stuff if you couldnt tell. Would NG make a good stack with other stuff

  12. Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    hey grila, what about supderdrol NG, i really like AX stuff if you couldnt tell. Would NG make a good stack with other stuff

    I myself love ax and there products.

    SDNG would be good for the stack i told you about or for any other stack. it is a pre workout supp.

  13. What do u think of this? any additions or changes


    Superdrol NG- 4 weeks 4 pills a day
    Mass FX- 4 weeks 4 pills a day

    then

    Retain 4 weeks 3 pills a day
    Advanced PCT 3 pills a day

  14. Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    I am currently running a hyperdrol, mass fx and retain stack for 8 weeks. After the stack is over im going to take 4 weeks off and run another 8 week stack. I was wondering what you guys thought would be the best and most effective 8 week test booster, estrogen minimizer and cortisol blocking stack?

    My two ideas
    1. -X factor 50 days
    -2 Bottles of Mass fx
    -( insert here??????)
    2. -Mass fx- Four weeks
    -Superdrol NG- Four weeks
    -3-AD- 4 weeks
    -TRisorbagen- 4 weeks
    -Advanced PCT- 4 weeks
    - Retain- 4 weeks

    or hyperdrol, mass fx and reatin again. I like AX stuff a lot and am doing a log for them now. Any suggestions????
    i found the retain to be completely useless

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Saurabh View Post
    Thanks! Much appreciated.

    Damn is there any test booster that doesnt cause hair loss!!
    look into td formestane. i use it often and no hairloss. you can use it standalone or stack it with a divaniil product. works great.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  16. Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    What do u think of this? any additions or changes


    Superdrol NG- 4 weeks 4 pills a day
    Mass FX- 4 weeks 4 pills a day

    then

    Retain 4 weeks 3 pills a day
    Advanced PCT 3 pills a day
    the stack I laid out for you would be better in my opinion. by the way you dont need the retain2 and advanced PCT. you would be better off spending your money on some other products IMO.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    look into td formestane. i use it often and no hairloss. you can use it standalone or stack it with a divaniil product. works great.

    forgot about that ! this would also be bad ass!

  18. Why doesnt superdrol ng need aPCT? and do you have a log or something of the stack you outlined? I think im also gonna add citruline malate, Alcar, ALA, creatine mono, Taurine, Cissus, BCAA and AAKG.

    -X factor 50 days
    -2 Bottles of Mass fx
    -2 Bottles of Alpha drive xl
    -2 Bottles of NOW DIM
    -bulk Beta Alanine

  19. Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    Why doesnt superdrol ng need aPCT? and do you have a log or something of the stack you outlined? I think im also gonna add citruline malate, Alcar, ALA, creatine mono, Taurine, Cissus, BCAA and AAKG.

    -X factor 50 days
    -2 Bottles of Mass fx
    -2 Bottles of Alpha drive xl
    -2 Bottles of NOW DIM
    -bulk Beta Alanine

    i never logged the stack, i did log the new massfx (im in love with it).

    SDNG doesn't need a pct because all it is DHEA and some pre-workout mix. DHEA needs no pct. or anti-e in my opinion. if you were doing something like 3-ad then you would need a full spectrum pct consisting of a S.E.R.M. and support supps.

    The stuff that you mentioned above that you want to add in would be to much. keep the stack simple. If you wanted to add in anything to the stack at in the BCAA'S. dont do the ala because it will mess with the Xfactor, causing it to not work.

  20. Decabol

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Konvicted View Post
    Decabol

    yes, that is a steroid, and that would need a serm

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    We just put together the Testosterone boosting stack. Its a synergistic combo to maximize T production, and it would likely stack well with the x-factor -

    The new Testosterone Boosting Stack

    -Pp
    x2 on this stack. 8 solid weeks of appetite, gym aggression, and overall good feeling and libido. Like a low/mid dose of test.

  23. What should i remove from my normal supps below for the stack u outlined?


    Morning
    400 IUS of Vitamin E
    500 MG of Vitamin C
    Beta Carotene
    Multivitamin
    Mineral
    5 GRAMS L-Arginine-Alpha-Ketogluterate- 6 weeks on and off
    1 GRAM acetyl l carnitine

    MID MORNING
    40-50 GRAM Whey Protein Shake
    1 GRAM Flax Seed Oil
    1 Pinch of Olive Oil

    5 GRAMS L-Argine-Alpha Ketogluterate -------30 Min Before
    1,000MG of Vitamin c with AAKG- 6 weeks on and off

    PREWORKOUT
    1 GRAM Calcuim Citrate
    2 GRAMS Beta Alanine
    5 GRAMS Leucine
    5 GRAMS L-Argine-Alpha Ketogluterate
    1,000MG of Vitamin c with AAKG- 6 weeks on and off
    4 GRAMS Taurine ------- 30 Min Before
    5 GRAMS Glutamine
    1 Gram Acetyl L Carnitine
    5 Grams Citruline
    5 Grams creatine - 6 weeks on and off
    5 GRAMS L-Argine-Alpha Ketogluterate
    1,000MG of Vitamin c with AAKG- 6 weeks on and off



    200 MG of DMAE --------15-20 Min Before
    200 MG of Panax Ginseng

    DURING WORKOUT
    3 GRAMS Beta Alanine
    5 GRAMS Leucine

    POSTWORKOUT
    2 GRAMS Beta Alanine
    4 GRAMS Taurine
    40-50 GRAMS Whey Protein Shake
    1.5 GRAMS glucosamine
    200 MG Alpha Lipoic Acid
    5 grams of creatine – 6 weeks on and off
    GATORADE 20 OZ

    WITH DINNER
    400 IUS of Vitamin E
    Beta Carotene
    Multivitamin
    Mineral
    Flaxseed Oil
    pinch of olive oil

    NIGHT
    5 GRAMS Glutamine
    1 Gram Lysine
    Green Tea Extract
    30 MG Chelated Zinc

  24. Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    What should i remove from my normal supps below for the stack u outlined?


    Morning
    400 IUS of Vitamin E
    500 MG of Vitamin C
    Beta Carotene
    Multivitamin
    Mineral
    5 GRAMS L-Arginine-Alpha-Ketogluterate- 6 weeks on and off
    1 GRAM acetyl l carnitine

    MID MORNING
    40-50 GRAM Whey Protein Shake
    1 GRAM Flax Seed Oil
    1 Pinch of Olive Oil

    5 GRAMS L-Argine-Alpha Ketogluterate -------30 Min Before
    1,000MG of Vitamin c with AAKG- 6 weeks on and off

    PREWORKOUT
    1 GRAM Calcuim Citrate
    2 GRAMS Beta Alanine
    5 GRAMS Leucine
    5 GRAMS L-Argine-Alpha Ketogluterate
    1,000MG of Vitamin c with AAKG- 6 weeks on and off
    4 GRAMS Taurine ------- 30 Min Before
    5 GRAMS Glutamine
    1 Gram Acetyl L Carnitine
    5 Grams Citruline
    5 Grams creatine - 6 weeks on and off
    5 GRAMS L-Argine-Alpha Ketogluterate
    1,000MG of Vitamin c with AAKG- 6 weeks on and off



    200 MG of DMAE --------15-20 Min Before
    200 MG of Panax Ginseng

    DURING WORKOUT
    3 GRAMS Beta Alanine
    5 GRAMS Leucine

    POSTWORKOUT
    2 GRAMS Beta Alanine
    4 GRAMS Taurine
    40-50 GRAMS Whey Protein Shake
    1.5 GRAMS glucosamine
    200 MG Alpha Lipoic Acid
    5 grams of creatine – 6 weeks on and off
    GATORADE 20 OZ

    WITH DINNER
    400 IUS of Vitamin E
    Beta Carotene
    Multivitamin
    Mineral
    Flaxseed Oil
    pinch of olive oil

    NIGHT
    5 GRAMS Glutamine
    1 Gram Lysine
    Green Tea Extract
    30 MG Chelated Zinc
    Looks a little overcomplete. If you have a good multi, you could knock out half those little supplements.

  25. what kind of multi has all of those

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Saurabh View Post
    Thanks! Much appreciated.

    Damn is there any test booster that doesnt cause hair loss!!
    DTH causes hair growth.

    To the thread starter, alot of test boosters are evaluated at mega doses or stacked with 2 or 3 other products, DTH stands alone with good results ran by itself.

    If you want to 3 product nat. stack at a good price, go with:

    Trib Test extreme/Ready4War stack at NP for $46.99 stacked with Diesel test hardcore for $38.99 or whatever it is.

    TTE/DTH/R4W........Ill guarantee your satisfaction on that stack for 6-8 weeks.

  27. yeah thats a good price, but i have taken the mass fx and i really like it and want to put it in a stack.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    what kind of multi has all of those
    I don't know, but I'm getting NOW Adam on my next order. Seems really badass for a multi. I don't know what you're doing with all the antioxidants, I think if you have the ALA in there you don't need to do all the vitamin c and e dosing. But maybe you're experimenting a bit.

  29. 5 GRAMS L-Arginine-Alpha-Ketogluterate- 6 weeks on and off
    1 GRAM Flax Seed Oil
    1 Pinch of Olive Oil
    5 Grams creatine - 6 weeks on and off
    DMAE what is this?
    200 MG Alpha Lipoic Acid
    lose all these!

  30. Quote Originally Posted by goslamacamel View Post
    Looks a little overcomplete. If you have a good multi, you could knock out half those little supplements.

    you are correct!
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