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    hey grila, what about supderdrol NG, i really like AX stuff if you couldnt tell. Would NG make a good stack with other stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    hey grila, what about supderdrol NG, i really like AX stuff if you couldnt tell. Would NG make a good stack with other stuff

    I myself love ax and there products.

    SDNG would be good for the stack i told you about or for any other stack. it is a pre workout supp.
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    What do u think of this? any additions or changes


    Superdrol NG- 4 weeks 4 pills a day
    Mass FX- 4 weeks 4 pills a day

    then

    Retain 4 weeks 3 pills a day
    Advanced PCT 3 pills a day
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    I am currently running a hyperdrol, mass fx and retain stack for 8 weeks. After the stack is over im going to take 4 weeks off and run another 8 week stack. I was wondering what you guys thought would be the best and most effective 8 week test booster, estrogen minimizer and cortisol blocking stack?

    My two ideas
    1. -X factor 50 days
    -2 Bottles of Mass fx
    -( insert here??????)
    2. -Mass fx- Four weeks
    -Superdrol NG- Four weeks
    -3-AD- 4 weeks
    -TRisorbagen- 4 weeks
    -Advanced PCT- 4 weeks
    - Retain- 4 weeks

    or hyperdrol, mass fx and reatin again. I like AX stuff a lot and am doing a log for them now. Any suggestions????
    i found the retain to be completely useless
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurabh View Post
    Thanks! Much appreciated.

    Damn is there any test booster that doesnt cause hair loss!!
    look into td formestane. i use it often and no hairloss. you can use it standalone or stack it with a divaniil product. works great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    What do u think of this? any additions or changes


    Superdrol NG- 4 weeks 4 pills a day
    Mass FX- 4 weeks 4 pills a day

    then

    Retain 4 weeks 3 pills a day
    Advanced PCT 3 pills a day
    the stack I laid out for you would be better in my opinion. by the way you dont need the retain2 and advanced PCT. you would be better off spending your money on some other products IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    look into td formestane. i use it often and no hairloss. you can use it standalone or stack it with a divaniil product. works great.

    forgot about that ! this would also be bad ass!
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    Why doesnt superdrol ng need aPCT? and do you have a log or something of the stack you outlined? I think im also gonna add citruline malate, Alcar, ALA, creatine mono, Taurine, Cissus, BCAA and AAKG.

    -X factor 50 days
    -2 Bottles of Mass fx
    -2 Bottles of Alpha drive xl
    -2 Bottles of NOW DIM
    -bulk Beta Alanine
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    Why doesnt superdrol ng need aPCT? and do you have a log or something of the stack you outlined? I think im also gonna add citruline malate, Alcar, ALA, creatine mono, Taurine, Cissus, BCAA and AAKG.

    -X factor 50 days
    -2 Bottles of Mass fx
    -2 Bottles of Alpha drive xl
    -2 Bottles of NOW DIM
    -bulk Beta Alanine

    i never logged the stack, i did log the new massfx (im in love with it).

    SDNG doesn't need a pct because all it is DHEA and some pre-workout mix. DHEA needs no pct. or anti-e in my opinion. if you were doing something like 3-ad then you would need a full spectrum pct consisting of a S.E.R.M. and support supps.

    The stuff that you mentioned above that you want to add in would be to much. keep the stack simple. If you wanted to add in anything to the stack at in the BCAA'S. dont do the ala because it will mess with the Xfactor, causing it to not work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    We just put together the Testosterone boosting stack. Its a synergistic combo to maximize T production, and it would likely stack well with the x-factor -

    The new Testosterone Boosting Stack

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    x2 on this stack. 8 solid weeks of appetite, gym aggression, and overall good feeling and libido. Like a low/mid dose of test.
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    What should i remove from my normal supps below for the stack u outlined?


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    400 IUS of Vitamin E
    500 MG of Vitamin C
    Beta Carotene
    Multivitamin
    Mineral
    5 GRAMS L-Arginine-Alpha-Ketogluterate- 6 weeks on and off
    1 GRAM acetyl l carnitine

    MID MORNING
    40-50 GRAM Whey Protein Shake
    1 GRAM Flax Seed Oil
    1 Pinch of Olive Oil

    5 GRAMS L-Argine-Alpha Ketogluterate -------30 Min Before
    1,000MG of Vitamin c with AAKG- 6 weeks on and off

    PREWORKOUT
    1 GRAM Calcuim Citrate
    2 GRAMS Beta Alanine
    5 GRAMS Leucine
    5 GRAMS L-Argine-Alpha Ketogluterate
    1,000MG of Vitamin c with AAKG- 6 weeks on and off
    4 GRAMS Taurine ------- 30 Min Before
    5 GRAMS Glutamine
    1 Gram Acetyl L Carnitine
    5 Grams Citruline
    5 Grams creatine - 6 weeks on and off
    5 GRAMS L-Argine-Alpha Ketogluterate
    1,000MG of Vitamin c with AAKG- 6 weeks on and off



    200 MG of DMAE --------15-20 Min Before
    200 MG of Panax Ginseng

    DURING WORKOUT
    3 GRAMS Beta Alanine
    5 GRAMS Leucine

    POSTWORKOUT
    2 GRAMS Beta Alanine
    4 GRAMS Taurine
    40-50 GRAMS Whey Protein Shake
    1.5 GRAMS glucosamine
    200 MG Alpha Lipoic Acid
    5 grams of creatine – 6 weeks on and off
    GATORADE 20 OZ

    WITH DINNER
    400 IUS of Vitamin E
    Beta Carotene
    Multivitamin
    Mineral
    Flaxseed Oil
    pinch of olive oil

    NIGHT
    5 GRAMS Glutamine
    1 Gram Lysine
    Green Tea Extract
    30 MG Chelated Zinc
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    What should i remove from my normal supps below for the stack u outlined?


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    400 IUS of Vitamin E
    500 MG of Vitamin C
    Beta Carotene
    Multivitamin
    Mineral
    5 GRAMS L-Arginine-Alpha-Ketogluterate- 6 weeks on and off
    1 GRAM acetyl l carnitine

    MID MORNING
    40-50 GRAM Whey Protein Shake
    1 GRAM Flax Seed Oil
    1 Pinch of Olive Oil

    5 GRAMS L-Argine-Alpha Ketogluterate -------30 Min Before
    1,000MG of Vitamin c with AAKG- 6 weeks on and off

    PREWORKOUT
    1 GRAM Calcuim Citrate
    2 GRAMS Beta Alanine
    5 GRAMS Leucine
    5 GRAMS L-Argine-Alpha Ketogluterate
    1,000MG of Vitamin c with AAKG- 6 weeks on and off
    4 GRAMS Taurine ------- 30 Min Before
    5 GRAMS Glutamine
    1 Gram Acetyl L Carnitine
    5 Grams Citruline
    5 Grams creatine - 6 weeks on and off
    5 GRAMS L-Argine-Alpha Ketogluterate
    1,000MG of Vitamin c with AAKG- 6 weeks on and off



    200 MG of DMAE --------15-20 Min Before
    200 MG of Panax Ginseng

    DURING WORKOUT
    3 GRAMS Beta Alanine
    5 GRAMS Leucine

    POSTWORKOUT
    2 GRAMS Beta Alanine
    4 GRAMS Taurine
    40-50 GRAMS Whey Protein Shake
    1.5 GRAMS glucosamine
    200 MG Alpha Lipoic Acid
    5 grams of creatine – 6 weeks on and off
    GATORADE 20 OZ

    WITH DINNER
    400 IUS of Vitamin E
    Beta Carotene
    Multivitamin
    Mineral
    Flaxseed Oil
    pinch of olive oil

    NIGHT
    5 GRAMS Glutamine
    1 Gram Lysine
    Green Tea Extract
    30 MG Chelated Zinc
    Looks a little overcomplete. If you have a good multi, you could knock out half those little supplements.
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    what kind of multi has all of those
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurabh View Post
    Thanks! Much appreciated.

    Damn is there any test booster that doesnt cause hair loss!!
    DTH causes hair growth.

    To the thread starter, alot of test boosters are evaluated at mega doses or stacked with 2 or 3 other products, DTH stands alone with good results ran by itself.

    If you want to 3 product nat. stack at a good price, go with:

    Trib Test extreme/Ready4War stack at NP for $46.99 stacked with Diesel test hardcore for $38.99 or whatever it is.

    TTE/DTH/R4W........Ill guarantee your satisfaction on that stack for 6-8 weeks.
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    yeah thats a good price, but i have taken the mass fx and i really like it and want to put it in a stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    what kind of multi has all of those
    I don't know, but I'm getting NOW Adam on my next order. Seems really badass for a multi. I don't know what you're doing with all the antioxidants, I think if you have the ALA in there you don't need to do all the vitamin c and e dosing. But maybe you're experimenting a bit.
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    5 GRAMS L-Arginine-Alpha-Ketogluterate- 6 weeks on and off
    1 GRAM Flax Seed Oil
    1 Pinch of Olive Oil
    5 Grams creatine - 6 weeks on and off
    DMAE what is this?
    200 MG Alpha Lipoic Acid
    lose all these!
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    Quote Originally Posted by goslamacamel View Post
    Looks a little overcomplete. If you have a good multi, you could knock out half those little supplements.

    you are correct!
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    How does DTH cause hair growth?
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    dmae is an antioxidant, im big on antioxidants because my body takes a toll with football. why should i lose the creatine mono and AAKG? theyve always kinda been staples for me. and goslamacamel, how could ALA take over for vitamin C and vitamin E?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    dmae is an antioxidant, im big on antioxidants because my body takes a toll with football. why should i lose the creatine mono and AAKG? theyve always kinda been staples for me. and goslamacamel, how could ALA take over for vitamin C and vitamin E?
    I like the DMAE, Creatine mono, and ALA.
    If you have a good multi, the vitamin e and c are just extras unless you're doing something out of the ordinary with megadoses or whatever.
    The ALA I believe is a much better antioxidant than c and especially e. The e is just a mediocre antioxidant (with like 2000 daily i.u., which is a lot) with too many blood thinning properties.
    With the C, you should be getting all you need from a multi and juice.
    The AAKG may be worth it, I don't know. I always thought it was more of an aesthetic supplement for pumps.

    Oh yeah, screw the glucosamine unless you're sentimentally attached to it. Bulk Cissus quadrangularis is way better if your body is taking a beating.
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    im a first timer...so are these "test boosters" do u have to do any bloodwork and does ur balls get smaller, suicidal depression, and do u have to cycle off most of this stuff...i dont wanna be losing my hair and have bad acne
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    u dont have to get blood work, but it would be nice. your balls dont get smaller because your body is still producing test, just more. There is no suicidal depression i dont think unless there are other issues at hand. You do have to cycle on and off of it dependent upon what the company suggests. I cant say i have lost any hair, but u do notice an increase in acne
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    I think im gonna go with the stack below, ive talked to some people and heard good things about it. I will though keep the creatine, cit malate and AAKG and the aminos (taurine, BCAA). Anyone have anything to add? The only question i have is will this stack regulate my estrogen adequatly?


    -X factor 50 days: 5 pills a day, on the xfactor diet
    -2 Bottles of Mass fx: 2 pills pre and 2 pills post workout!
    -2 Bottles of Alpha drive xl: 1 pill with massfx (1 pre and 1 post with massfx) then 1 in either the morning or at night.
    -2 Bottles of NOW DIM: follow what the bottle says.
    -bulk Beta Alanine: 3grams a day split in to 2 doses. I do 1.5g with my pre workout shake and 1.5g with my post workout shake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    I think im gonna go with the stack below, ive talked to some people and heard good things about it. I will though keep the creatine, cit malate and AAKG and the aminos (taurine, BCAA). Anyone have anything to add? The only question i have is will this stack regulate my estrogen adequatly?


    -X factor 50 days: 5 pills a day, on the xfactor diet
    -2 Bottles of Mass fx: 2 pills pre and 2 pills post workout!
    -2 Bottles of Alpha drive xl: 1 pill with massfx (1 pre and 1 post with massfx) then 1 in either the morning or at night.
    -2 Bottles of NOW DIM: follow what the bottle says.
    -bulk Beta Alanine: 3grams a day split in to 2 doses. I do 1.5g with my pre workout shake and 1.5g with my post workout shake.

    the reason i had said dont use creatine is because i have herad it will mess with the effectiveness of the xfactor.( i dont know if its true, but why take the chance you can always use it right after) the ala will mess with effectiveness of the xfactor. you can keep the all the other amino's if you want, i only said to take out the aakg because i find nitrous oxide boosters to be useless and over rated. there is no info on if they really help with building muscle.

    yes, this will be ok for your estrogen. Remamber you dont want to get rid of estrogen, ur body needs it for many things, one of which is building muscle!

    other then that your stack looks great. I couldnt of done a better job myself, oh wait i did.... lol
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    haha thanks man, the only problem now will be paying for this stack, i wish i could get a sponsor. But on the aakg, we have been learning about it in my bio class. they say it makes the smooth muscle in arteries and veins relax allowing a greater volume of blood to be in venules and arterioles and therfore go into ure capillary beds (biceps, legs, chest) This increase in blood will hopefully alow more RBC's get to your cells and therefore more oxygen. I dunno thats what the prof told us.
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    they have DIM on bb.com, how much do i need and when?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    haha thanks man, the only problem now will be paying for this stack, i wish i could get a sponsor. But on the aakg, we have been learning about it in my bio class. they say it makes the smooth muscle in arteries and veins relax allowing a greater volume of blood to be in venules and arterioles and therfore go into ure capillary beds (biceps, legs, chest) This increase in blood will hopefully alow more RBC's get to your cells and therefore more oxygen. I dunno thats what the prof told us.
    well, if i were you i would listen to the prof. seriously, i am sure he knows way more then i will ever hope to know! by the way good info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    they have DIM on bb.com, how much do i need and when?
    100-200mg should be good. like 100mg in the morning and 100mg at night. try 100mg and listen to what your body tells you.
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    how should i dose the 2 bottles of mass fx? im 220.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    how should i dose the 2 bottles of mass fx? im 220.
    IMO, i would take 2 caps in the morning, 1 cap massfx with 1 cap alpha drive pre-workout, and 1 cap massfx with 1 cap alpha drive post-workout. then 1 cap alpha drive at night.

    that should be good.
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    u cant take mass fx for 50 days though i dont think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j4ever View Post
    How does DTH cause hair growth?
    Im not quite sure, I know when people use it their hair grows faster. Must have something to do with DTH. People always report they have to shave 2-3x as often and their hair on their body grows faster.

    I know when ur a teenager and you go through puberty your hair starts to grow faster when ur test levels rise so Im guessing its the same.

    Nettle and anti-estogen products dont really do that because high dose nettle products dont nec. increase nat test production, just unbinds test. Anti-estrogen products increase test by reducing estrogen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    they have DIM on bb.com, how much do i need and when?
    DIM is abosorbed really poorly, but u would need about 200mg 3x a day with meals.
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    so what would u suggest deisel? im guessing DTH? what should it be stacked with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    so what would u suggest deisel? im guessing DTH? what should it be stacked with?
    DTH at 4-6 tabs a day or DTH stacked with Trib Test Extreme:

    The "Extreme double or Nothing stack"

    http://www.getdiesel.com/pages/extreme_double.htm

    or

    DTH, TTE, and raw test:

    The "hardcore Three kings stack"

    http://www.getdiesel.com/pages/hardcore_threekings.htm

    some places if you guy the DTH and TTE u get the raw test free.

    I guarantee those stacks to any 2 product nat. test booster stack from any company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Diesel View Post
    DTH at 4-6 tabs a day or DTH stacked with Trib Test Extreme:

    The "Extreme double or Nothing stack"

    Extreme double or nothing stack - testosterone booster by GET DIESEL NUTRITION

    or

    DTH, TTE, and raw test:

    The "hardcore Three kings stack"

    Hardcore Three Kings Stack - testosterone booster by GET DIESEL NUTRITION

    some places if you guy the DTH and TTE u get the raw test free.

    I guarantee those stacks to any 2 product nat. test booster stack from any company.
    I'd be interested in TTE and DTH vs HX2 and Mass FX Max Strength that would be a great comparison.

    HX2 is kinda grey area natty though, due to 6-bromo not being legal in some natty BBing organizations.

    Other than that comparison I would think tte+dth would have no rivals.
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    is their any anti estrogen build into TTE or DTH?
  

  
 

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