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    Hey Guys,

    Found this kewl to read:


    The Steroid Interviews
    by Chris Street


    As part of an agreement with Testosterone Magazine, excerpts from my new book will be published in the coming months. These excerpts detail the use of performance enhancing drugs by elite athletes as well as those in non-athletic populations. The book looks at these drugs individually in a scientific manner, something not done to date by popular books on the subject or those less read books published for members of the scientific community.

    The purpose of publishing excerpts is to stimulate interest in the book as well as to educate a wide audience as to what’s occurring in a segment of society that is usually clandestine. The hope is that my writing will educate and open up a dialogue on a subject that has thus far been biased, political, and extremely unhelpful to solving the problem of anabolic steroid use in society. With the publishing of The Steroid Interviews and the future publication of the book, this information is now public domain.

    This month I give you a look inside the world of professional bodybuilding. If you’ve ever read a muscle magazine, you’ve no doubt wondered how in the hell those guys get that big. What do they take to get ready for a major competition like the Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic or the Mr. Olympia? It was when I sat down with several IFBB professional bodybuilders that I found out. The answer lies in years of difficult training, large volumes of food, and massive dosages of drugs.


    Inside The World of Professional Bodybuilding

    "When my guys tell you it costs more than $25,000 to get ready for a big contest, do you think they’re talking about pasta?"

    —Wayne Demilia, President of the International Federation of Body Builders (IFBB)

    As quoted from the New York Times May 13, 2001

    With the publication of my book and with the excerpt you’re about to read, I’m going on record as the former science editor of FLEX Magazine stating, unequivocally, that there is not one single IFBB professional bodybuilder who is not using steroids. In the past, this subject has been discussed in the mainstream media with stories appearing over the years in Sports Illustrated and in various newspapers, but no one has stated with inside knowledge the truth about the IFBB and the pervasive use of muscle building drugs. This is no longer the case.

    What you are about to read is the actual drug cycle used by an IFBB male professional bodybuilder preparing for Joe Weider’s 1995 Mr. Olympia contest, the most illustrious and coveted title in bodybuilding. It’s the first time this information has ever been published. This IFBB professional bodybuilder entrusted me with bringing the information public upon my assurance of his anonymity. I’ll describe him as follows:

    This bodybuilder is one of the largest individuals ever to compete. He keeps copious records and what you’ll read below was taken directly from his competition notebook. The only word I can use to describe him is enormous. He ranges from 280 to 300 pounds in the off-season and approximately 275 pounds at contest (his exact contest weight cannot be published). Without a doubt he is one of the largest bodybuilders of the modern era. This man is one the few bodybuilders who makes a living from the sport and has appeared thousands of times in the pages of both FLEX Magazine and Muscle & Fitness.

    To date, as a result of his drug use, this individual has suffered no major drug-related health problems (i.e. any condition that would place him in the hospital). But, he has suffered side effects, which in the future could contribute to serious illnesses or an untimely death. These side effects were reported to me by the athlete and with permission I verified the information with his personal physician. The following is the verified list of side effects that this IFBB professional has suffered directly due to his use of physique altering drugs: altered HDL/LDL ratio (several times he’s had a level of zero HDL cholesterol), temporary disturbance of normal liver function, severe hypogonadism, low sperm count, and mild depression. What does the future hold in regards to his health? No one can tell for sure.

    According to the interviewee, the majority of professional bodybuilders rarely if ever see a physician to check their health status. An important fact I learned while working for FLEX Magazine was that the IFBB does not offer the competitors health insurance, nor does Weider offer insurance to the bodybuilders under contract with the company. For these men, the risks of competing far outweigh the monetary rewards. Some professional bodybuilders spend in excess of one hundred thousand dollars per year on drugs. In the IFBB, it’s basically competing at your own risk.

    In actuality, it would be impossible to insure these men as their cardiovascular disease risk profile would be off the chart. Despite bodybuilders having a lipid profile suggestive of impending cardiovascular disease, this effect hasn’t yet become epidemic. Two reasons can likely explain this phenomenon. One, we haven’t had enough time to evaluate these individuals. A few more years may be necessary to see increased mortality amongst professional bodybuilders. Second, sound dietary practice, cardiovascular exercise, and drug holidays may be offsetting potential injury to the cardiovascular system.

    The Weider magazines present the bodybuilding lifestyle as a wonderful, healthy, and carefree life. In reality, this is not the case. When you speak to the pro’s, one on one, candidly, they know that every injection and every pill has consequences to their future health and wellbeing. From my time at FLEX Magazine I can tell you that the potential health effects of the bodybuilding lifestyle is a subject that troubles all professional bodybuilders.

    Every single one of them wonders at some time what will happen to them when they finally decide to step off the competitive stage for good. The truth is, no one knows. Not even the experts. High dose drug use amongst IFBB bodybuilders is not the exception, it’s the rule. Simply put, you don’t step on stage with the world’s best bodybuilders and not come in loaded. This is fact.


    The Drug Cycle of an IFBB Professional Bodybuilder

    As the following drug cycle commenced, our interviewee was 14 weeks out from the world’s most prestigious bodybuilding event, the Mr. Olympia. Upon beginning this cycle he weighed a whopping 280 pounds. Due to the possibility that he could be identified, his contest weight and his placement at the event will not be published. Below is his cycle as it was given to me (please see the drug guide at the end of the article for a brief explanation of the drugs used).

    Week 14

    400 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

    200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

    25 mg/day methandrostenolone

    Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg

    Week 13

    400 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

    200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

    25 mg/day methandrostenolone

    0.70 mg/day tiratricol

    3 IU growth hormone M, W, F

    Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg

    Week 12

    300 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

    300 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

    25 mg/day methandrostenolone

    0.70 mg/day tiratricol

    3 IU growth hormone M, W, F

    Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg

    Week 11

    300 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

    300 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

    25 mg/day methandrostenolone

    0.70 mg/day tiratricol

    3 IU growth hormone administered M, W, F

    Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg

    Week 10

    200 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

    400 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

    25 mg/day methandrostenolone

    0.70 mg/day tiratricol

    3 IU growth hormone administered M, W, F

    Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg

    Week 9

    152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

    200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate

    200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

    200 mg/wk dromostanolone

    1.05 mg/day tiratricol

    3 IU growth hormone, change to daily injections here until Mr. Olympia

    Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg

    Week 8

    152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

    200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate

    200 mg/wk dromostanolone

    200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

    3 IU/day growth hormone

    1.05 mg/day tiratricol

    Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg

    Week 7

    152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

    200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate

    200 mg/wk dromostanolone

    200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

    4 IU/day growth hormone

    1.05 mg/day tiratricol

    Begin alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol and 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

    Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg

    Week 6

    100 mg Testosterone suspension administered twice per week

    100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week

    228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

    200 mg/wk dromostanolone

    5 IU/day growth hormone

    1.05 mg/day tiratricol

    Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

    25 mg/day oxandrolone

    Local injections with formyldienolone begin here until Mr. Olympia (upper chest, biceps, and side delts)

    Total weekly androgen dose: 1,103 mg*

    Week 5

    50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice per week

    100 mg Testosterone suspension administered twice per week

    100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week

    228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

    200 mg/wk dromostanolone

    5 IU/day growth hormone

    1.05 mg/day tiratricol

    Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

    25 mg/day oxandrolone

    Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

    Total weekly androgen dose: 1,203 mg*

    Week 4

    100 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered three times per week

    200 mg/wk dromostanolone

    100 mg Testosterone suspension administered three times per week

    100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week

    1.05 mg/day tiratricol

    Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

    25 mg/day oxandrolone

    5 IU/day growth hormone

    Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

    500 mg/day testolactone

    500 mg/day tolbutamide

    100 mg/day mesterolone

    Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*

    Week 3

    100 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered three times per week

    200 mg/wk dromostanolone

    100 mg Testosterone suspension administered three times per week

    100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week

    1.05 mg/day tiratricol

    Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol and 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

    25 mg/day oxandrolone

    5 IU/day growth hormone

    Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

    500 mg/day testolactone

    500 mg/day tolbutamide

    100 mg/day mesterolone

    Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*

    Week 2

    50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice per week

    100 mg/day mesterolone

    1.05 mg/day tiratricol

    100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week

    100 mg/day Testosterone suspension

    600 mg/day testolactone

    500 mg/day tolbutamide

    750 mg/day aminoglutethimide

    Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

    25 mg/day oxandrolone

    5 IU/day growth hormone (GH stops this week)

    Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

    Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*

    Week Preceding the Mr. Olympia

    50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice this week

    100 mg/day mesterolone

    100 mg injectable stanozolol Monday, Wednesday, and Friday

    100 mg Testosterone suspension Saturday, Tuesday, Thursday

    600 mg/day testolactone

    500 mg/day tolbutamide

    25 mg/day oxandrolone

    Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

    750 mg/day aminoglutethimide

    Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

    Total weekly androgen dose: 1,575 mg*

    Total androgen dose for 14 week cycle: 15,937 mg*

    *Androgen totals do not include site injections of formyldienolone or oral administration of testolactone.

    Analysis of the Cycle and the Bodybuilding Lifestyle

    In looking at the cycle and how professional bodybuilders use steroids, one thing is evident: bodybuilders use more steroids, growth hormone, and fat loss drugs than any other group (e.g. baseball players, American football players, track & field athletes, and Olympic weight lifters). This is not just out of stupidity or abuse that these men take such large amounts of drugs; it’s a matter of necessity. Understand this about the upper echelon of bodybuilding: human physiology and demands of the competition require large amounts of drugs. If you want massive muscles, you have to supply the growing tissue with enough androgen, not only to maintain that muscle, but to make it grow. In the book I cover, in detail, the above cycle and that of another IFBB pro for his off season mass building cycle.

    For a man to achieve a body that carries well over 200 pounds of lean tissue is a physiologic impossibility without massive dosages of drugs. The human body was not designed to carry this much skeletal muscle under the control of a natural endocrine system. You can become a world class track athlete, NFL player, or baseball player and not use steroids. It is, however, a physiologic impossibility to become a professional or top level amateur bodybuilder without the use of these drugs.

    It’s difficult when looking at the bodybuilding subculture not to judge bodybuilders harshly because of the rampant use of steroids. What I can tell you from spending time around these individuals is that bodybuilders aren’t bad people. Don’t judge them because they use steroids. Aside from their high dose steroid use, most bodybuilders are upstanding individuals. Having said this, I ask you, which criminals are most dangerous to society, the executives at Enron or steroid using professional bodybuilders?

    If you go to a bodybuilding contest you see that steroids are accepted as part of the bodybuilding subculture. At these events, no one complains or spreads rumors about who is taking steroids, everyone on the inside already knows and accepts that this is going on. Bodybuilders are not hurting anyone but themselves, and the jury is still out how much damage they are really doing to their bodies. Professional bodybuilders and other high dose steroid users are not dropping dead at an alarming rate. Given the amounts of drugs these men take, it’s surprising they don’t suffer more problems.

    I believe we can equate bodybuilding and the high dose use of muscle building drugs to cigarettes and the heavy smoker. We all know people who smoke a great deal for years but when they stop, the body rejuvenates itself. In some cases people will get sick, but there are many who are able to go on to live healthy and productive lives. It appears as though the body has amazing capabilities of handling this drug and others. The same applies to steroids. Based only on anecdotal data, it appears as though some adult men can take large amounts of androgens for a few years and the body can recover from the negative shifts in the HDL/LDL ratio and partly recover from insult to the hypothalamic-pituitary gonadal axis. However, the 1990’s ushered in a new breed of professional bodybuilders.

    With the emergence and total dominance of Dorian Yates and now Ronnie Coleman, these men have taken muscle mass to new levels. Growth hormone and insulin have helped create bodies which far surpass those altered by steroids alone. The health effects of these drugs appear to be serious, especially when combined with androgens and fat loss drugs. No one knows what will happen to these guys and those competitors who now follow in their footsteps. One would hypothesize based on the actions of growth hormone and insulin that the heart and other organs will undergo pathologic growth. Cancer and diabetes is also a possibility with the use of GH, insulin, and various male hormones taken in combination.

    While a link to these newer growth promoting agents and increased mortality in bodybuilders is pure conjecture, some bodybuilders may be exposing themselves to the risk of developing a different set of troubles, much more serious than what could be caused by androgens alone. While future health problems can at present only be hypothesized, what has been documented to date is that several IFBB professional and amateur bodybuilders have come very close to death by the misuse of insulin.

    IFBB professional bodybuilders are literally walking experimental drug laboratories. As with all experimental protocols, time is required to determine the results. Time and controlled scientific study is what is required to see the harm that may or may not occur in those who enter this uncharted territory. From seeing these guys up close, and what monetary rewards they gain from competing, I’m not sure that their drug use is worth the price they may pay in the future. Every drug has side effects, and as a weathered and very wise, old West Texas physician once told me, "Boy, there’s no free lunch in pharmacology."


    The Steroid Interviews Drug Guide Part II

    Aminoglutethimide — Taken because the drug possesses the ability to inhibit the conversion of androgens to estrogens via the aromatase enzymatic pathway, also used as an adrenocortical suppressant (believed by bodybuilders to be an anti-catabolic agent).

    Clenbuterol — A selective beta-2-agonist, used as a lipolytic agent to decrease body fat.

    Dromostanolone — An injectable anabolic/androgenic steroid used for muscle gain and muscle hardness.

    Ephedrine — Stimulant drug used to decrease body fat and secondarily used as a pre-workout stimulant/antidepressant.

    Formyldienolone — Injectable anabolic/androgenic steroid used for its ability to cause local muscle inflammation and hence make small muscle groups appear larger or more pronounced.

    Growth hormone — Injectable peptide hormone used to decrease body fat and stimulate protein synthesis.

    Mesterolone — An oral anabolic/androgenic steroid. Drug does not metabolize to estrogen, and has been reported by steroid users to block the estrogen receptor. This claim has not been substantiated by science.

    Methandrostenolone — Oral anabolic/androgenic steroid.

    Methenolone — enanthate Injectable anabolic/androgenic steroid.

    Nandrolone decanoate — Injectable anabolic/androgenic steroid.

    Nandrolone phenpropionate — Injectable anabolic/androgenic steroid.

    Oxandrolone — Oral anabolic/androgenic steroid.

    Testosterone — Injectable anabolic/androgenic steroid.

    Tiratricol — Thyroid drug used for decreasing bodyfat.

    Testolactone — Oral drug used to prevent the estrogen related side-effects of high dose androgen administration.

    Tolbutamide — Oral sulfonylurea drug, used to increase insulin release from the pancreas and increase the sensitivity of peripheral tissues to insulin.

    Trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate — Injectable anabolic/androgenic steroid.

    Stanozolol — Injectable anabolic androgenic steroid.



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    I just want to say "oh my f'ing GOD!" I mean we all know that professional bodybuilders use steroids, but I mean WTF. That is an insane amount of drugs that they are putting into their bodies. And not even that do you realize how much food they would have to ingest to keep up with that kind of anabolic activity? I remember readind in Muscle and fitness before Jay Cutlers diet off-season, easily 6,000 calories if not more. The man was getting up at 3:00 in the a.m. just to eat a meal. I guess I see why now. I mean WOW.
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    So anyone want to start guessing who the bodybuilder is ?



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    I'm guessing Nasser.








    1995 Mr. Olympia Standings
    September 10, 1995 at Atlanta, Georgia

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    Place Name Country
    1 Dorian Yates England
    2 Kevin Levrone USA
    3 Nasser El Sonbaty Yugoslavia
    4 Shawn Ray USA
    5 Vince Taylor USA
    6 Chris Cormier USA
    7 Mike Francois USA
    8 Flex Wheeler USA
    9 Aaron Baker USA
    10 Charles Clairmonte Barbados
    10 Ronnie Coleman USA
    12 Paul DeMayo USA
    13 Sonny Schmidt Australia
    14 Ian Harrison England
    15 Darren Charles Trinidad
    15 Paul Jablonicky Czech
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    WOW...Just looking at the doses per week and for 14 weeks...is just insane...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    I'm guessing Nasser.








    1995 Mr. Olympia Standings
    September 10, 1995 at Atlanta, Georgia

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    Place Name Country
    1 Dorian Yates England
    2 Kevin Levrone USA
    3 Nasser El Sonbaty Yugoslavia
    4 Shawn Ray USA
    5 Vince Taylor USA
    6 Chris Cormier USA
    7 Mike Francois USA
    8 Flex Wheeler USA
    9 Aaron Baker USA
    10 Charles Clairmonte Barbados
    10 Ronnie Coleman USA
    12 Paul DeMayo USA
    13 Sonny Schmidt Australia
    14 Ian Harrison England
    15 Darren Charles Trinidad
    15 Paul Jablonicky Czech

    First person that came into my head was Ronnie Coleman. B/C if you look more closely at the article it says one of the only true bodybuilders to make a living off of BB'ing. Plus that guy has been ALL up and down the pages of M&F. SH*T for all we know tho it could of been Dorian Yates.
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    You basically have to win the show to make any money. It seems like anything less than an actual win, and you lose out on cash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    You basically have to win the show to make any money. It seems like anything less than an actual win, and you lose out on cash.
    Yea i think it was the 2004 Mr. Olympia and Ronnie got like $500,000 and they gave hime a brand new Bentley. Plus all the $$ he makes for sponsering all the different supplements, weights and all that. But you know what I just thought of isn't he like a cop still too or something like that. But I doubt he really needs to do that. I see you just changed your Avy too Reaper, NICE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbtoy31 View Post
    First person that came into my head was Ronnie Coleman. B/C if you look more closely at the article it says one of the only true bodybuilders to make a living off of BB'ing. Plus that guy has been ALL up and down the pages of M&F. SH*T for all we know tho it could of been Dorian Yates.

    it said from 1995 so I ended up pulling that roster.


    I bet Ronnie has had problems. There was a picture of him backstage before a show once with an oxygen mask. I don't know if many people saw that.

    The reason why I say Nasser is because he has been relatively vocal lately about IFBB bodybuilding and drugs since he is retired.


    Although it could also very well be Dorian as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    it said from 1995 so I ended up pulling that roster.


    I bet Ronnie has had problems. There was a picture of him backstage before a show once with an oxygen mask. I don't know if many people saw that.

    The reason why I say Nasser is because he has been relatively vocal lately about IFBB bodybuilding and drugs since he is retired.


    Although it could also very well be Dorian as well.
    Not to dispute you, B/c it very well could be but if that was the case why the anonimity in the article?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbtoy31 View Post
    Not to dispute you, B/c it very well could be but if that was the case why the anonimity in the article?

    true, that's a good point.


    I wish we'd start seeing more 'behind the scenes' articles about pro bb'ing. We all know drugs and messed up shlt goes on in the background, that's no secret, I wish they'd be more candid about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    You basically have to win the show to make any money. It seems like anything less than an actual win, and you lose out on cash.
    Hey Reaper...I'm beginning to love rainbows a little bit more now
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    The reason why I say Nasser is because he has been relatively vocal lately about IFBB bodybuilding and drugs since he is retired.
    I wouldn't doubt it one bit if it was Nasser. It is amazing how in trend...when people retire and have nothing to lose...what truths be made public (got Conseco?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by maynehood171 View Post
    I wouldn't doubt it one bit if it was Nasser. It is amazing how in trend...when people retire and have nothing to lose...what truths be made public (got Conseco?)
    yup then they wanna mess it up for the rest of us. Canseco didn't have a problem taking his sports enhancing drugs when he was making all that $$ and hitting all then Homeruns. Just b/c he didn't need the stuff anymore. Then you get a ban on prohormones b/c that's "cheating" Wah wah wah.
    Not b/c if improperly used it could cause health issues b/c it's not fair. No fair,no fair u cheated.
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    I think Dorian has his own line of supps or a gym franchise or something staked in his name. I'm not sure.

    Levrone is doing Hollywood (trying too anyway).


    Nasser is really the only huge dude who does not have much to lose. Then again he has been vocal recently and this article appears to be published back in '01.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    I think Dorian has his own line of supps or a gym franchise or something staked in his name. I'm not sure.

    Levrone is doing Hollywood (trying too anyway).


    Nasser is really the only huge dude who does not have much to lose. Then again he has been vocal recently and this article appears to be published back in '01.
    I feel you're getting hot (closer) on the topic...
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    For some reason when I read it I thought Dorian but I have no real clue as to why.

    In relation to the roids they are legal in England no? I don't know why they make a big thing about saying all the pro's get drug tested etc, any mug with half a brain knows that these guys aren't even close to natural and are doing huge doses of anabolics to maintain their size. Just look at them when they stop aka Dorian, Levrone or Dillet.







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    can't really see dorian's contrast that well. Levrone looks minature now.
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    Are those stretch marks on Levrone's shoulders?
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    looks like it. I'm sure he has much more and that the picture was touched up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    looks like it. I'm sure he has much more and that the picture was touched up.
    Good point!...since he's posing for the shot and the shot looks pretty decent...possible photo edited I'm sure...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    can't really see dorian's contrast that well. Levrone looks minature now.
    It's a mini me version of Kevin Levrone.
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    Jay Cutler in the left picture dosen't look half that bad.

    That was probably before he went overboard on peptides and growth hormone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    Jay Cutler in the left picture dosen't look half that bad.

    That was probably before he went overboard on peptides and growth hormone.
    He was pretty big at 15 in perspective of the average lifter. He had a wide a** back even then.
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    Honestly just being overly big like that is just...wrong and unnatural as fukc!
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    1g a week isnt that much.

    Lots of guys use that much in Test alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankJ View Post
    1g a week isnt that much.

    Lots of guys use that much in Test alone.
    Ive seen cycles where it's anywhere from 400-800 mgs a week but 1500 mgs. I mean I guess for his size and what he does, for me I guess it would just be "OK let me rip your head off b/c you looked at me" kind of cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbtoy31 View Post
    Ive seen cycles where it's anywhere from 400-800 mgs a week but 1500 mgs. I mean I guess for his size and what he does, for me I guess it would just be "OK let me rip your head off b/c you looked at me" kind of cycle.
    Remember this is a 275-300lb dude.

    Thats not that much gear for a dude that big.

    Thats like you running 400mg EW testE and 300mg Deca. Certainly not something that would kill you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankJ View Post
    Remember this is a 275-300lb dude.

    Thats not that much gear for a dude that big.

    Thats like you running 400mg EW testE and 300mg Deca. Certainly not something that would kill you.
    Have you been spying on me or something?? Kidding yea i guess your right just seems like an awful lot when you see it written all down like that. Ya know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbtoy31 View Post
    Have you been spying on me or something?? Kidding yea i guess your right just seems like an awful lot when you see it written all down like that. Ya know?
    Yeah I know it looks like a lot - especially those last few weeks where he is peaking. I'm sure he didnt feel that great.

    When you think about it - hormones are really f*cking powerful.

    I mean, take a 1000mg amino acid pill. Seems pretty small, but if that was Testosterone ( and if it could be taken orally ) you would be jacked as hell taking 1 of those every week!
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    For a pro, those amounts are expected.

    The thing that sucks is pro bb'ers use so much more in quantity than NFL or MLB athetes, yet makes so much less in $$$.
  

  
 

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