question about cardiovascular health.
- 03-14-2008, 11:03 PM
question about cardiovascular health.
I know this might not be in the right section but i wasnt exactly sure which section it might go under. I am not trying to lose weight per say as I am still bulking but I had something on my mind that aroused my curiosity. While bulking, I have noticed that I lack cardiovascular health. ( Slightly high BP, increased heart rate, lack of V02) The other day for health class my professor had us running around the block. I figured I could try a HIT cardio type of run. Turns out that I couldnt make it around the block once before I was shot tired and gasping for air.
My question to you guys who managed to stay lean,or healthy cardio wise is how would you set up a cardio routine while in a bulking phase? Also how would you do so while not trying to lose too many calories. Since I have never done a cut before I was wondering would it be a good idea to do medium intensity cardio/light cardio for lets say 15-25 minutes to help increase cardiovascular health?
I know some people argue that cardio while on a bulk makes no sense but I do believe that in the long run, If you do cardio while maintaining a healthy heart you make it MUCH easier on yourself when it comes time to cut. Your cardio sesions will be much easier. What do you guys think? Discuss please
My plan is to maybe add 15-20 min of cardio post workout possibly? And if done post workout, should I take my PWO shake during cardio or after? Thanks for the help guys.
- 03-15-2008, 12:34 AM
Sprints are what you want. Full on long endurance cardio will burn off muscle and do your heart minimal good. You want to do sprints and high intensity lifts at a fast pace. This will build up your pericardium and make your heart much stronger, keeping you more heart-healthy than if you were to do long distance useless cardio exercises.
Think evolution - humans weren't meant to travel long distances like a gazelle or whatever. We were meant to move very fast for only short periods of time, like to get away from an animal real quick or something. Especially for prevention of cardiovascular diseases, you want periodic high intensity lifting/exercising, and sprints will be ideal to achieve this. Don't think it should decrease muscle mass significantly either.
03-15-2008, 01:06 AM
I feel that your right about the fast pace cardio. The only problem is how I would get started on it. I tried running like I said around the block in a sprint like fashion. Didnt last the block. I ran at full speed up a (long NYC manhattan block) and rested for half the block. Then tried to run agian for the block, and rested for half. I was killed by the time I ran around the block once. My question basically is HOW is it to start off in terms of cardiovascular health. I dont want to be those manhattan junkie sissy boys doing cardio all day long trying to impress the ladies. But not being able to do a block is kinda sad. Would medium pace intensity at the edge of a cut be useful? I plan on cutting in 2-3 months. With that said, I dont want to be running 1 friken block and getting myself killed when I do so. What can be done to increase cardiovascular health in this term?
P.S I kinda think I know the answer, I just wanted to know what you guys though about this issue. Maybe someone who has been in this situation might chime in? Perhaps someone who went bulking for lets say a year without cardio then tried to cut?
How did you handle the cardio sessions while on the cut after a long break from cardio.
Thanks agian guys. Any imput would be greatly appreciated. Small or big contributions
(jeez I sound like a NYC subway bum. )
03-15-2008, 11:05 AM
I don't really have an idea of how long it is to run a block but if it's a significant distance then I wouldn't worry about being able to run it in the first place. If you're putting on a significant bulk of muscle mass you have to forget about running really long distances. I don't think Ronnie Coleman can run too far.
If you're not a cross country runner and you live in NYC, I would completely forget about long interval cardio forever. Your body will never need it for any practical purpose, nor should anyone else in the world unless they're a runner or swimmer or whatever.
03-15-2008, 11:13 AM
M.Ed. Ex Phys
03-15-2008, 11:19 AM
I get winded doing heavy squats so theres got to be some cardio benefit there I think to stay lean on a bulk...eat more protien, cycle carb's (and none after lunch). Could also try some cortisol blocker's (lean extreme or EndoAMP)
03-15-2008, 11:23 AM
03-15-2008, 11:40 AM
I was implying there was only some benefit. I didn't think "good cardio shape" meant the guy was trianing for a marathon, he said he wanted to stay bulking. I agree that lifting all on its own wouldn't provide sufficient cardio improvement, so I'm anxious to read about that HIIT program.
03-15-2008, 11:40 AM
03-15-2008, 11:41 AM
I just have a pragmatic problem believing blood pounding against the pericardium and the muscles being suddenly taxed of oxygen won't have more of a hemoglobin increase and cardiovascular disease preventing benefit than basically "going for a stroll".
But first of all, let's agree on what cardiovascular health really is. Do you believe it to be prevention of disease and prolonging of life? or do you believe it to be lasting the longest in a fight or running the longest distance in the shortest amount of time? I'm basing my presumptions on the former for what it's worth.
Oh, almost forgot. I'm also assuming that most people dying of heart disease do so because they enter into a suddenly physical state which their heart and blood vessels aren't equipped to handle, both in strength and in ability to carry inordinate amounts of oxygen to the body.
03-15-2008, 12:08 PM
This is simply anecdotal, so take it for what it's worth, but my BP right now (~135/65) is much better than it was when I though lifting and HIIT was all I needed (~120/70). As an FYI, the systolic increase is due to an increase in my blood volume levels in my body, which is directly related to an increase in cardio.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
03-15-2008, 12:12 PM
03-15-2008, 12:25 PM
Some anecdotal evidence of my own has been that when I used to end every weight session with 20-30 min cardio, my blood pressure would stay normal, at 120/70 basically. However, over the last 9-10 months I've been dropping "normal" cardio completely. I drink some polyphenols (plumsmart or normal grape juice) before every workout that involves a heavy compound lift (squats, deads, bench, clean and press, variations thereof) and I find I can make myself get crazy winded afterwards. I shoot for the dizziness feeling where the gym looks a little weird when I look around.
Since doing that, my systolic has shot up like crazy, has been around 155 at resting before, normally 150 or so. And my diastolic has plummetted down to 60 sometimes, normally 65. Resting heart rate eventually started to startle me, sitting at about 55/min.
I'll keep doing this, because it obviously works for me. Never touching normal steady cardio again unless specifically advised to do so by a doctor - for what reason I don't know.
03-15-2008, 12:32 PM
03-15-2008, 12:38 PM
03-15-2008, 04:16 PM
Thanks guys. I checked this thread and it was dead in the morning. Though you guys all forgot about me
03-15-2008, 08:09 PM