havoc pct...on a budget tho
- 03-12-2008, 09:54 PM
- 03-12-2008, 09:58 PM
- 03-12-2008, 10:04 PM
03-12-2008, 10:43 PM
03-13-2008, 08:29 AM
03-13-2008, 12:07 PM
I use / have used this as pct for designers and it works great.
this is how to run it:
(3) per day week 1
(2) per day week 2
(1) per day week 3
(1) per day week 4
03-13-2008, 01:00 PM
thanks for the help
and as far as a serm i can get my hands on a Rx, i was just looking for the next best thing.
03-13-2008, 01:43 PM
03-14-2008, 08:16 AM
03-14-2008, 08:21 AM
I'll say this about that:
If your going to run a budget PCT, keep your dose of Havoc LOW.
Your recovery will be easier, and your supression will be less.
No more than 20mg
03-14-2008, 08:34 AM
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03-14-2008, 05:28 PM
03-14-2008, 05:43 PM
03-14-2008, 06:24 PM
03-14-2008, 06:58 PM
If you weight 157 at 6'1", you need to put down the Havoc, and pick up a fork. You aren't anywhere near steroid-land, yet.
The Truth is, there is no Truth.
03-14-2008, 07:45 PM
I thought i already explained that im six even and bounce between 157 and 160. Plus the fact that im ecto doesnt help. Some ppl jus dont understand how hard it is for me to gain weight.
03-14-2008, 07:54 PM
03-14-2008, 08:04 PM
I do agree that you probably shouldn't be taking PS's until you've put on more natural weight though!
also, if you're concerned about PCT...have you considered pulsing?
03-14-2008, 08:25 PM
Im 22 and ive been lifting on and off for three years. I am jus now starting to realize the importance of diet. When i first started it was like no matter what i took (creatine/protein) i just couldnt keep it. I now realize its my fault bcuz i didnt properly diet along with it. I just gained seven pounds on some protein. I have considered pulsing but im not willing to sacrifice what little gains i might lose between pulsing and straight cycle. I think i will be fine with the pct i have so i guess im not overly concerned. And im around 8-9%.
03-14-2008, 08:46 PM
these products should only be used once you've pushed your body to the limit using natural options (like nutrition and training). also, I don't know what you mean by training off and on for 3 years...but if you haven't been consistant then that's another thing you need to fix before you start taking PS's.
sorry bro, but my 2 cents is that you're not ready and you need to fix some discipline problems before you take some thing like Havoc.
get at least another year of consistant training under your belt, get your diet in check, and I think you'll be surprised at what you can do naturally!
03-14-2008, 09:13 PM
If you can't gain at the weight you're at, you're not eating enough. If you aren't eating enough now, either you won't eat enough on cycle to make it worthwhile, or you will and then loose all the weight after the cycle. You need to create a much heavier set point for your height to even consider cycling.
Oh, and I'm ecto, too. And once you start eating enough, you'll gain just as fast as anyone else. I've done it, so can you. Genetics just don't make that much difference when you're as underweight as you are, or I was.
The Truth is, there is no Truth.
03-14-2008, 11:44 PM
i guess i will hold off and try and get to a plateau. thanks for the helpful advice and even tho its not what i wanna hear i will take it.
03-15-2008, 08:03 AM
The thing is, steroids/PS are like using your nitrous boosters in a racing game. Once you use it, you'll never be as fast. Most guys recommend using the PS once you've come to the end of your natural potential. The reason is, the gains youll make with havoc will be the equivilent to gains you can make by hard work at this period of time.
PA called steroids to atheletes the "ace in the hole". That meant, you'd only use it when you absolutely had to...
If its weight your looking to gain, I recommend getting an appetite booster and a weight gainer shake. Feel free to PM me and I'll hook you up with info and recommendations.
I will use myself as an example. I used PS' when I was younger, and haven't reached my natural potential. Yes, they helped me gain a little weight. But it was nothing signifigant. Now that I'm training naturally by choice, I have to work much harder to make gains because the PS accelerated my growth before. Not only do I gain slower now, but I am weaker than I was. My choice is either to keep using steroids and put my health at risk, or continue on the natural, slower path. I choose health personally.
I know how tempting it can be to jump into these compounds, but take it from us who have been around the block before, you'd be better off to wait.
03-15-2008, 11:22 AM
im sorry but at around 160lbs and 6foot you shouldnt take AAS.....you need to get some more weight on you. Being ecto should work to your advantage because you should have to worry about losing the fat....it should be easy once youve gained about 20lbs. Its possible. Just get some ON serious mass 12lb bags and eat all day long and lift ...and sleep this should bring your mass up.
03-15-2008, 03:15 PM
you could even run 6 bromo if you cant get your hands on a serm.. which ive found is getting harder and harder.
Ive ran it as pct before and it went smoothly
I also used Diesel test harcore which i found helped alot also.
03-15-2008, 05:54 PM
tell us your diet. i eat about the same thing 5 days aweek. switch up abit on the weekends but keep it healthy. that way there is no guessing at my fat carb protein calorie intake. its boring but it gets you in super shape. i can gain 25-30 pounds over winter by raising my carb calories way up slowing down on cardio and sticking to low rep(3-10) heavy weight workouts. I would say try some good protein shakes with creatine mono, carbo gain from now foods, and dextrose mixed in. try to get at least 3000 calories or more aday everyday mostly from protein and good carbs like oatmeal, brown rice, sweet potato or whole grain pasta and bread. eat 6-8 meals aday. you can use shakes as a meal or two. if you do this for a month and don't bulk up abit something is wrong. you have to keep track of everything you eat or its just guess work at where you stand.
03-15-2008, 06:09 PM
Good luck Brandon! I agree with the fellas that eating a p88pload of quality foods (chicken, lean beef, broccoli, brown rice) and lifting like a maniac will blow you up in no time. I'm nowhere near as lean as you and I've gained at least 7 pounds of muscle since mid-Dec. with just eating, creatine, good workouts and good sleep. What does your workout look like?
03-15-2008, 06:12 PM
03-15-2008, 06:25 PM
diet: im trying to gain some consistency with it so lately it has looked something like this.
wake up drink a protein shake and a bowl of honey oats cereal, oat bar, or bowl of oatmeal.
then later i will eat some packaged tuna with milk.
i will eat whatever is around for lunch, then i work out.
then after i work out i eat canned chicken.
for dinner i usually have like steak, chicken, fajitas. stuff like that
then before bed i drink a protein shake.
if i dont have things like canned chicken i eat peanut butter sandwhiches w/ peanuts on it.
i havent started workouts yet but i am in like two weeks im tryin to get my diet down before i start
it will be somethin like this m/w/f will be upper.
lower on tues & thurs
and off on the weekends
03-15-2008, 06:34 PM
03-15-2008, 06:37 PM
yeh peanut butter is very fattening and i only use it when i dont have tuna and chicken around but to be honest im not worried about gaining a little fat.
any suggestions for calorie intake?
im trying to bulk so do i need more cals or do i have enuff?
03-15-2008, 06:39 PM
03-15-2008, 06:45 PM
actually six even and 157-160. in this thread i have a post of all that stuff (bf%, lifting experience)
and i think im gonna do a creatine, protein stack and try and get to 170. if i do i will more than likely do a pulse cycle this summer. but i have some questions about pulsing.
03-15-2008, 07:28 PM
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