havoc pct...on a budget tho

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  1. havoc pct...on a budget tho


    whats a good pct for havoc
    or is one even necassary?
    any suggestions will be appreciated but remember im on a tight budget


  2. If you're not willing to spend the money on a good PCT, then don't run AAS.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys

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  3. i mean i will spend what it takes i was jus sayin i dont wanna get rediculous

  4. Visit the RPN board and search around. More than enough info there.

  5. Get a SERM and you'll be set.
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  6. Legal Gears Formadrol Extreme.
    I use / have used this as pct for designers and it works great.
    this is how to run it:
    (3) per day week 1
    (2) per day week 2
    (1) per day week 3
    (1) per day week 4

  7. thanks for the help
    and as far as a serm i can get my hands on a Rx, i was just looking for the next best thing.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by brandon615 View Post
    thanks for the help
    and as far as a serm i can get my hands on a Rx, i was just looking for the next best thing.
    By RX you mean script from you doctor, right? If so, than that's definitely the way to go man. Good luck.

  9. I'll say this about that:

    If your going to run a budget PCT, keep your dose of Havoc LOW.

    Your recovery will be easier, and your supression will be less.

    No more than 20mg

  10. Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeRows View Post
    I'll say this about that:

    If your going to run a budget PCT, keep your dose of Havoc LOW.

    Your recovery will be easier, and your supression will be less.

    No more than 20mg
    If he has a SERM, I don't see why he couldn't run Havoc at 40mg or more. Why do you recommend he stays low?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by The_Reverend View Post
    If he has a SERM, I don't see why he couldn't run Havoc at 40mg or more. Why do you recommend he stays low?
    My recommendation was based on OTC products only. Should've been more clear.

    With a SERM, you can def go higher. :squat:

  12. Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeRows View Post
    My recommendation was based on OTC products only. Should've been more clear.

    With a SERM, you can def go higher. :squat:
    Ah, that makes perfect sense. Thanks for clarifying.

  13. I will run my havoc 20mg a week for a 4 week cycle.
    Then for my pct i will run post cycle support by AI.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by brandon615 View Post
    I will run my havoc 20mg a week for a 4 week cycle.
    Then for my pct i will run post cycle support by AI.
    Sounds good. Epi isn't too bad on surpression ive found

  15. thanks everyone.
    next time i will go with tam jus so i dont get too blasted ha.

  16. im going to run a serm and cycle support by ai

  17. Quote Originally Posted by freezito View Post
    im going to run a serm and cycle support by ai

    what r u about to cycle?

    and if anybody is interested with the results of this cycle i will pm you but im not about to log day by day.

  18. epi/4ad

  19. If you weight 157 at 6'1", you need to put down the Havoc, and pick up a fork. You aren't anywhere near steroid-land, yet.
    The Truth is, there is no Truth.

  20. I thought i already explained that im six even and bounce between 157 and 160. Plus the fact that im ecto doesnt help. Some ppl jus dont understand how hard it is for me to gain weight.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by freezito View Post
    epi/4ad

    good heavy stack right there.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by brandon615 View Post
    I thought i already explained that im six even and bounce between 157 and 160. Plus the fact that im ecto doesnt help. Some ppl jus dont understand how hard it is for me to gain weight.
    Hey Brandon, what's your other stats bro? (bf%, lifting experience, age, etc)? you'd better be in the single digit BF% at that weight.

    I do agree that you probably shouldn't be taking PS's until you've put on more natural weight though!

    also, if you're concerned about PCT...have you considered pulsing?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by delsolrob View Post
    Hey Brandon, what's your other stats bro? (bf%, lifting experience, age, etc)? you'd better be in the single digit BF% at that weight.

    I do agree that you probably shouldn't be taking PS's until you've put on more natural weight though!

    also, if you're concerned about PCT...have you considered pulsing?

    Im 22 and ive been lifting on and off for three years. I am jus now starting to realize the importance of diet. When i first started it was like no matter what i took (creatine/protein) i just couldnt keep it. I now realize its my fault bcuz i didnt properly diet along with it. I just gained seven pounds on some protein. I have considered pulsing but im not willing to sacrifice what little gains i might lose between pulsing and straight cycle. I think i will be fine with the pct i have so i guess im not overly concerned. And im around 8-9%.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by brandon615 View Post
    Im 22 and ive been lifting on and off for three years. I am jus now starting to realize the importance of diet. When i first started it was like no matter what i took (creatine/protein) i just couldnt keep it. I now realize its my fault bcuz i didnt properly diet along with it. I just gained seven pounds on some protein. I have considered pulsing but im not willing to sacrifice what little gains i might lose between pulsing and straight cycle. I think i will be fine with the pct i have so i guess im not overly concerned. And im around 8-9%.
    Bro, if you just gained 7 pounds by switching up your diet then you aren't ready to take a product like Havoc!

    these products should only be used once you've pushed your body to the limit using natural options (like nutrition and training). also, I don't know what you mean by training off and on for 3 years...but if you haven't been consistant then that's another thing you need to fix before you start taking PS's.

    sorry bro, but my 2 cents is that you're not ready and you need to fix some discipline problems before you take some thing like Havoc.

    get at least another year of consistant training under your belt, get your diet in check, and I think you'll be surprised at what you can do naturally!
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