How would you want an acetylated-resveratrol product?

[LakeMountD]

Well as the poll says guys how would you want it? PCT? By itself? Mixed with other anti-oxidants? Something else?

Let us know!

 

[PowerHouse555]

I use it by itself but as a PCT...when you add a bunch of products together they drop the dose to keep costs down and call it a "Propietary Blend". I personal buy everything seperate and stack it together and have GREAT success....be warned its alot more expensive but WILL work

 

[Rodja]

Either by itself or as an Anti-O blend. That way it can be added to practically anything.

 

[pmiller383]

I would definitely say by itself, this way it can be used for a couple different reasons and benefit different individuals with different needs. By making just a PCT product out of it you or and anti-ox formula you may end up losing potential customers because its not exactly what they were looking for.

 

[SupFatHead]

I'd like someone to first explain phenotypes and how it relates to res....

Lake I'd assume you could tell me about this in laymans terms? Remodeling fibers and such...

 

[Nightwanderer]

By itself, so you can choose to take it without having to buy a post cycle type product if you don't want to.

 

[LatSpread]

Definitely mixed with other antiOX is a health supp.

Although with ya'll being IBE I'm assuming you could have one hell of a PCT supp with resveratrol in it.

 

[slow-mun]

I voted by itself, but I honestly would like to see a formula that included Fadogia and was marketed as a non-hormonal test booster. I'm sure Matpal could be persuaded to license out some for a reliable source. IMHO, the ideal product would include acetylated-resveratrol, ZMA, and Fadogia.

 

[warnerve]

Either by itself or as an Anti-O blend. That way it can be added to practically anything.

agreed 100%. if you go for an anti-ox blend, I would recommend keeping it as affordable as possible...Designer Supplements had a great anti-ox with vigor, and we see what happened to that

 

[LatSpread]

agreed 100%. if you go for an anti-ox blend, I would recommend keeping it as affordable as possible...Designer Supplements had a great anti-ox with vigor, and we see what happened to that

NOW had/has a very similar anti oxidant product for half the price of Vigor and it was well known on the forums, thats why Vigor didnt sell well.

 

[neoborn]

How about a capped and bulk version for a great price to allow megadosing? :thumbsup:

 

[djbombsquad]

That with NAC and leucine.

 

[rugger48]

Either by itself or as an Anti-O blend. That way it can be added to practically anything.

I agree

 

[Vegking]

That with NAC and leucine.

If you have seen the latest on NAC, then maybe you won't want it in. For information go to Mind and Muscle.net or ImmInst.org.

 

[strategicmove]

If you have seen the latest on NAC, then maybe you won't want it in...

Could you summarize "the latest" on NAC? As far as I know, as long as you take at least twice as much Vitamin C with it, there should not be any problems. Vitamin C prevents it from oxidizing.

 

[johnyq]

Could you summarize "the latest" on NAC? As far as I know, as long as you take at least twice as much Vitamin C with it, there should not be any problems. Vitamin C prevents it from oxidizing.

latest trial in rats showed increase in pulmonary arterial hypertension.

A type of antioxidant may not be as safe as once thought
By University of Virginia Health System
Sep 4, 2007 - 9:01:29 PM


Charlottesville, Va., Sept. 4, 2007 - Certain preparations taken to enhance athletic performance or stave off disease contain an anti-oxidant that could cause harm. According to new research at the University of Virginia Health System, N-acetylcysteine (NAC), an anti-oxidant commonly used in nutritional and body-building supplements, can form a red blood cell-derived molecule that makes blood vessels think they are not getting enough oxygen. This leads to pulmonary arterial hypertension (PAH), a serious condition characterized by high blood pressure in the arteries that carry blood to the lungs. The results appear in the September issue of the Journal of Clinical Investigation.

“NAC fools the body into thinking that it has an oxygen shortage,” said Dr. Ben Gaston, UVa Children’s Hospital pediatrician and researcher who led the study. “We found that an NAC product formed by red blood cells, know as a nitrosothiol, bypasses the normal regulation of oxygen sensing. It tells the arteries in the lung to ‘remodel’; they become narrow, increasing the blood pressure in the lungs and causing the right side of the heart to swell.”

Gaston notes that this is an entirely new understanding of the way oxygen is sensed by the body. The body responds to nitrosothiols, which are made when a decreased amount of oxygen is being carried by red blood cells; the response is not to the amount of oxygen dissolved in blood. He says that this pathway was designed much more elegantly than anyone had previously imagined. “We were really surprised”, he said.

The research team administered both NAC and nitrosothiols to mice for three weeks. The NAC was converted by red blood cells into the nitrosothiol, S-nitroso-N-acetylcysteine (SNOAC). The normal mice that received NAC and SNOAC developed PAH. Mice missing an enzyme known as endothelial nitric oxide synthase did not convert NAC to SNOAC, and were protected from the adverse effects of NAC, but not SNOAC. This suggests that NAC must be converted to SNOAC to cause PAH.

Could regular use of NAC produce the same effects in humans" The next step is to determine a threshold past which antioxidant use becomes detrimental to heart or lung function, according to Dr. Lisa Palmer, co-researcher of the study.

“The more we understand about complexities in humans, the more we need to be aware of chemical reactions in the body,” said Palmer.

According to Gaston and Palmer, NAC is being tested in clinical trials for patients with cystic fibrosis as well as other conditions; and clinical trials with nitrosothiols are being planned. These results, Palmer says, should motivate researchers to check their patients for PAH.

The results also open up a range of possibilities in treating PAH. Palmer added that the signaling process could be restorative and healing if they figured out how to keep NAC from fooling the body.

“From here we could devise new ways for sensing hypoxia or we could in theory modify signaling to treat PAH,” Palmer said.

http://foodconsumer.org/7777/8888/N_utrition_35/090409012007_A_type_of_antioxidant_may_not_be_as_safe_as_once_thought.shtml

 

[t3stxlr4titud]

Standalone. I wouldn't want it water down with any other ingredients.

-TF

 

[EasyEJL]

Well as the poll says guys how would you want it?

Let us know!

Soon + cheap

 

[t3stxlr4titud]

So, who is going to make this product?

 

[bound]

I said by itself, even though I don't know how it's different from normal Res. I kind of doubt that most of the voters know what it is/how it works. We have so little solid info on Res in the first place, and we're here voting on a altered version?

 

[jmh80]

Agree with bound.

I'd say on it's own - but I don't know the effect of acetylated res.

 

[bioman]

On it's own. The real appeal of rez..for me at least.. is in using doses of 1 gram or more per day. If your new version of rez allows the user to get away with much smaller doses..then maybe there's room for some other shenanigans.

 

[JohnnieFreeze]

I voted by itself, but I honestly would like to see a formula that included Fadogia and was marketed as a non-hormonal test booster. I'm sure Matpal could be persuaded to license out some for a reliable source. IMHO, the ideal product would include acetylated-resveratrol, ZMA, and Fadogia.

I go along with this way of thinking..

 

[methodice]

Solo thanks

 

[ImJ2x]

I'm like the only guy who voted for the PCT usage. I just think there are so many OTC PH/DS options, with almost no effective OTC PCT products. I really think it's time for our PCT options to catch up with our hormonal options.

 

[bound]

But how do we know that it has any properties that would be useful in PCT? Maybe acetylation will destroy the useful actions.

(just playing devil's advocate here.)

 

[LakeMountD]

But how do we know that it has any properties that would be useful in PCT? Maybe acetylation will destroy the useful actions.

(just playing devil's advocate here.)

I honestly don't feel it is useful for PCT. There are much better options. And that goes for all forms of Resveratrol.

 

[Sldge]

Either by itself or as an Anti-O blend. That way it can be added to practically anything.

Which is exactly where it belongs (hence Vigor). It does not increase testosterone and is not an AI. Its something that should be used everyday for health, buts thats me.

 

[LakeMountD]

Which is exactly where it belongs (hence Vigor). It does not increase testosterone and is not an AI. Its something that should be used everyday for health, buts thats me.

Man I have been saying this for a long time too, I get scolded for it by every company out there saying I am dissing their products. Do they not realize we have one coming out too! It is for health! Heck everyone should be looking into the SIRT1 effects more than anything else lol.

 

[Sldge]

Man I have been saying this for a long time too, I get scolded for it by every company out there saying I am dissing their products. Do they not realize we have one coming out too! It is for health! Heck everyone should be looking into the SIRT1 effects more than anything else lol.

We've been selling it for a few years and I dont know if I have ever used res as a selling point for Vigor. Most get very close to the amount of vitamins they need through whole food and shakes. Anti-oxidants on the other hand people dont get enough of. Most people dont eat enough variety of colorful fruits. Forget the multi-vitamins and get a good anti-oxidant blend.

 

[LakeMountD]

Forget the multi-vitamins and get a good anti-oxidant blend.

Ha my sentiments exactly.

 

[b unit]

I honestly don't feel it is useful for PCT. There are much better options. And that goes for all forms of Resveratrol.

Then why would you ask if people wanted it for pct purposes?

Well as the poll says guys how would you want it? PCT? By itself? Mixed with other anti-oxidants? Something else?

not stirring here, just looking for clarification.

 

[LakeMountD]

Then why would you ask if people wanted it for pct purposes?



not stirring here, just looking for clarification.

Was just curious honestly .