dhea and the best way to use it
- 03-06-2008, 05:42 PM
dhea and the best way to use it
Ok so ive read up a bit on dhea and 7-keto now is it beneficial at all to take a low dose of either for lean muscle gains or strength gains, as i hear too much can lead to cancer (mostly prostate)
im thinking about putting one or the other in a transdermal cream, i just wanna hear anyones feedback who has used either. any feedback much appreciated
also it just seems liek dhea can have anti-catabolic properties like thats all the new halodrol is, is like 7-keto and dhea and even then people said they gained a lb or 2 and leaned out a tad, so i assume low dosing the dhea at say about 100mg a day could have some nice effects as well as being good for your immune system no??
- 03-06-2008, 05:51 PM
03-06-2008, 11:29 PM
03-06-2008, 11:53 PM
If your under 40 (which I'm assuming you are) then dhea will do little to nothing for you, even at moderately high doses.
7-keto supps WERE good for anti cortisol, but new supps such as Retain 2 are much better at controlling cortisol, which has helped me greatly on bulks and even moreso on cuts and as part of PCT.
03-06-2008, 11:55 PM
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right obviously it isnt needed IF testosterone levels are stable and peaked. IF you are in PCT or ON cycle then it would help. IT DOES help the body produce more testosterone by other means than its conversion. (you compared it to a ph)...eh im not so sure. its a ph that's part of the bodies normal system anyway so i wouldnt consider it 'suppressive' per-say. I think the effects on your libido came about becuase you used it when it was not beneficial like you said. also it could be from the extra estro that dhea creates.
03-07-2008, 01:15 AM
When I'm 'on' I dose 100mg to 150mg per day. I don't use it if I'm not using anything else. I use it mainly to help fight lethargy.
03-07-2008, 01:18 AM
From my understanding dhea levels start to decline in the early 20s so it may be benificial to young men under 40.
03-07-2008, 11:06 AM
I've been taking 50 mg/day for 8 weeks after my testosterone levels came in at 370 ng/dl. I'm thinking andropause to go along with my metabolic sysndrome. Oh joy ... can't wait.
Since DHEA has the potential to convert into testosterone or estrogen (or a bunch of other metabolites like 7-keto), and since testosterone itself can metabolize into estrogen or DHT, I take some other supplements as prophylactics. Saw Palmetto and Pygeum to protect the prostate from any more DHT, stinging nettle to compete with testosterone for SHBG binding, and resveratrol to try and inhibit estrogen (or mimic it, or compete with it, or whatever the hell this crazy-ass complex does).
Might add some I3C, DIM, and Chrysin but will wait until I get my labwork done next week ("Can I please have a complete hormonal profile done this time doctor? Pretty please?").
So I don't really know what I'm doing and will use the labs to determine whether or not I will continue, but I do have one solid piece of evidence that something is going on. About 4 weeks into this regime, my morning fasting blood sugars have dropped from 100-105 mg/dl to 88-92 and have consistently stayed there. As my son says, "Dad, that's like normal people." Yes son, that it is.
03-07-2008, 12:35 PM
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03-07-2008, 12:42 PM
well im considering going on a blitz cycle and i shoulda layed that out there in my 1st post so from what i see 100mg seems to be the sweet spot when ON
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03-07-2008, 06:06 PM
100-200mg ON- fights lethargy, improves mood, helps with endocrine balance (can reduce certain sides), controls cortisol to some degree
PCT- 50mg- helps with mood, sex drive, and natural endocrine balance restoration..
if NOT using AAS and young/not experiencing andropause...then its not good to use
03-18-2008, 04:39 AM
03-19-2008, 02:45 PM
Meanwhile, my total testosterone dropped from 370 ng/dl to 214 ng/dl. Ouch. Well at least my estradiol seems okay (23 pg/ml). (Mixed emotions on this since I'm pretty sure I'd rather be a woman than a eunuch.)
Next up ... androgel 5 mg/day.
Told my son that Doc says I won't be a ***** for much longer. "Don't worry, Dad. You'll always be a ***** to me." Thanks, son. I love you too.
Should I take something like 6-OXO with this? I'm sick of eating broccoli and Brussel sprouts every day.
03-19-2008, 05:16 PM
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