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    dhea and the best way to use it


    Ok so ive read up a bit on dhea and 7-keto now is it beneficial at all to take a low dose of either for lean muscle gains or strength gains, as i hear too much can lead to cancer (mostly prostate)

    im thinking about putting one or the other in a transdermal cream, i just wanna hear anyones feedback who has used either. any feedback much appreciated

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    also it just seems liek dhea can have anti-catabolic properties like thats all the new halodrol is, is like 7-keto and dhea and even then people said they gained a lb or 2 and leaned out a tad, so i assume low dosing the dhea at say about 100mg a day could have some nice effects as well as being good for your immune system no??

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    If your under 40 (which I'm assuming you are) then dhea will do little to nothing for you, even at moderately high doses.

    7-keto supps WERE good for anti cortisol, but new supps such as Retain 2 are much better at controlling cortisol, which has helped me greatly on bulks and even moreso on cuts and as part of PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LatSpread View Post
    If your under 40 (which I'm assuming you are) then dhea will do little to nothing for you, even at moderately high doses.

    7-keto supps WERE good for anti cortisol, but new supps such as Retain 2 are much better at controlling cortisol, which has helped me greatly on bulks and even moreso on cuts and as part of PCT.

    dhea at 50mg during pct helps my mood and my sex drive, and just overall. maybe a higher dose when ON cycle. since I cycle frequently....I guess I use dhea frequently... and I am under 40 so therefore I conclude it does have use to those with a similar lifestyle
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    Quote Originally Posted by pudzian2 View Post
    dhea at 50mg during pct helps my mood and my sex drive, and just overall. maybe a higher dose when ON cycle. since I cycle frequently....I guess I use dhea frequently... and I am under 40 so therefore I conclude it does have use to those with a similar lifestyle
    Im under the impression the OP does not use anabolics, therefore the dhea is useless at his young-middle age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pudzian2 View Post
    dhea at 50mg during pct helps my mood and my sex drive, and just overall. maybe a higher dose when ON cycle. since I cycle frequently....I guess I use dhea frequently... and I am under 40 so therefore I conclude it does have use to those with a similar lifestyle

    just the answer i was looking 4
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    Quote Originally Posted by king1033 View Post
    just the answer i was looking 4
    The whole thing is on cycle and as part of PCT dhea is great, but if natural its not. (I dunno if your natty or not)
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    Quote Originally Posted by LatSpread View Post
    The whole thing is on cycle and as part of PCT dhea is great, but if natural its not. (I dunno if your natty or not)

    why would u said for on cycle and pct it is great?? just wanna hear your logic on that, thanks again for the replys guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by king1033 View Post
    why would u said for on cycle and pct it is great?? just wanna hear your logic on that, thanks again for the replys guys
    My view is simply that putting dhea in your body your putting a mild prohormone in your body and as we all know PHs tend to decrease libido and natural test production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LatSpread View Post
    My view is simply that putting dhea in your body your putting a mild prohormone in your body and as we all know PHs tend to decrease libido and natural test production.

    but then on the other side of that spectrum mild PH also tend to put on a litttle tinny bit of size and definition
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    Quote Originally Posted by king1033 View Post
    but then on the other side of that spectrum mild PH also tend to put on a litttle tinny bit of size and definition
    a tiny bit is the key, I tried multiple dosages of dhea solo when we had extra bottles at the GNC I worked at years back, and it gave me no gains and shut down my libido mildly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LatSpread View Post
    The whole thing is on cycle and as part of PCT dhea is great, but if natural its not. (I dunno if your natty or not)
    that is correct. for the young NON AAS, NON hypo- gonadal male....dhea is not necessary
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    right obviously it isnt needed IF testosterone levels are stable and peaked. IF you are in PCT or ON cycle then it would help. IT DOES help the body produce more testosterone by other means than its conversion. (you compared it to a ph)...eh im not so sure. its a ph that's part of the bodies normal system anyway so i wouldnt consider it 'suppressive' per-say. I think the effects on your libido came about becuase you used it when it was not beneficial like you said. also it could be from the extra estro that dhea creates.
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    When I'm 'on' I dose 100mg to 150mg per day. I don't use it if I'm not using anything else. I use it mainly to help fight lethargy.
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    From my understanding dhea levels start to decline in the early 20s so it may be benificial to young men under 40.
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    I've been taking 50 mg/day for 8 weeks after my testosterone levels came in at 370 ng/dl. I'm thinking andropause to go along with my metabolic sysndrome. Oh joy ... can't wait.

    Since DHEA has the potential to convert into testosterone or estrogen (or a bunch of other metabolites like 7-keto), and since testosterone itself can metabolize into estrogen or DHT, I take some other supplements as prophylactics. Saw Palmetto and Pygeum to protect the prostate from any more DHT, stinging nettle to compete with testosterone for SHBG binding, and resveratrol to try and inhibit estrogen (or mimic it, or compete with it, or whatever the hell this crazy-ass complex does).

    Might add some I3C, DIM, and Chrysin but will wait until I get my labwork done next week ("Can I please have a complete hormonal profile done this time doctor? Pretty please?").

    So I don't really know what I'm doing and will use the labs to determine whether or not I will continue, but I do have one solid piece of evidence that something is going on. About 4 weeks into this regime, my morning fasting blood sugars have dropped from 100-105 mg/dl to 88-92 and have consistently stayed there. As my son says, "Dad, that's like normal people." Yes son, that it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatboy View Post
    As my son says, "Dad, that's like normal people." Yes son, that it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pudzian2 View Post
    that is correct. for the young NON AAS, NON hypo- gonadal male....dhea is not necessary
    thats all I was trying to convey, not that it is worthless, just that its worthless for young natty BBers
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    well im considering going on a blitz cycle and i shoulda layed that out there in my 1st post so from what i see 100mg seems to be the sweet spot when ON
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    Quote Originally Posted by king1033 View Post
    well im considering going on a blitz cycle and i shoulda layed that out there in my 1st post so from what i see 100mg seems to be the sweet spot when ON
    if by blitz cycle your talking about fizogen, please please do your homework cuz fizogen is BS
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    Quote Originally Posted by LatSpread View Post
    if by blitz cycle your talking about fizogen, please please do your homework cuz fizogen is BS

    lol no a blitz cycle as in a 6 weeker test prop tren ace
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    Quote Originally Posted by king1033 View Post
    lol no a blitz cycle as in a 6 weeker test prop tren ace
    o, if doing a real cycle then the dhea will likely be very helpful. Some of my buddies use tren ace that they homebrew from cattle pellets and they have amazing results.

    I had for whatever thought you were going natty but wanting dhea, my bad!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LatSpread View Post
    o, if doing a real cycle then the dhea will likely be very helpful. Some of my buddies use tren ace that they homebrew from cattle pellets and they have amazing results.

    I had for whatever thought you were going natty but wanting dhea, my bad!

    so it benefits me how using it ON, i just wanna get my facts straight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by king1033 View Post
    so it benefits me how using it ON, i just wanna get my facts straight.
    I would use a low dose on and during the beginning of pct.
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    so say around 100mg what other people were talking about and maybe raising it to 150mg during pct??
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    100-200mg ON- fights lethargy, improves mood, helps with endocrine balance (can reduce certain sides), controls cortisol to some degree

    PCT- 50mg- helps with mood, sex drive, and natural endocrine balance restoration..

    if NOT using AAS and young/not experiencing andropause...then its not good to use
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    Quote Originally Posted by LatSpread View Post
    o, if doing a real cycle then the dhea will likely be very helpful. Some of my buddies use tren ace that they homebrew from cattle pellets and they have amazing results.

    I had for whatever thought you were going natty but wanting dhea, my bad!
    LatSpread-- PM me if you don't mind. I've got some "theoretical" questions regarding the homebrew from cattle pellets you're talking about. For my cattle, of course!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatboy View Post
    I've been taking 50 mg/day for 8 weeks after my testosterone levels came in at 370 ng/dl. I'm thinking andropause to go along with my metabolic sysndrome. Oh joy ... can't wait.
    So I finished this little exploratory endeavor this week and went in for my labs. DHEA supplementation is incredible! After 9 weeks of 50 mg/day my DHEA levels came in right smack dab in the middle of the range for my age group (40-49 years old, 448 ng/dl) ... simply amazing ...

    Meanwhile, my total testosterone dropped from 370 ng/dl to 214 ng/dl. Ouch. Well at least my estradiol seems okay (23 pg/ml). (Mixed emotions on this since I'm pretty sure I'd rather be a woman than a eunuch.)

    Next up ... androgel 5 mg/day.

    Told my son that Doc says I won't be a ***** for much longer. "Don't worry, Dad. You'll always be a ***** to me." Thanks, son. I love you too.

    Should I take something like 6-OXO with this? I'm sick of eating broccoli and Brussel sprouts every day.
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    i dont know i would only use 6-oxo being ON somthing or pct


    o wait your going to be using androgel
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    Got it. Many thanks.
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