old jungle warfare vs. new jungle warfare ?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    I found this link on Jungle Warfare, however I cannot access bb.com's forum, only am.com's forum (weird).

    Anyways, can someone check this for me and let me know what it says ? Thanks.

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=178
    pa says restore contains andro.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID


  2. hm, their restore has the methylated version of baET (B-Androstentriol).

    Anabolic Xtreme's version has a non-methylated version of baET.

    I think ALRI's old retain had the methylated version of B-andro.


    Yeah, oh well.
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  3. I had good results with the older one. The newer version killed my libido and results weren't as good.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by TOYFORDOLET View Post
    I had good results with the older one. The newer version killed my libido and results weren't as good.
    interesting! thats what ive been hearing lately.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by TOYFORDOLET View Post
    I had good results with the older one. The newer version killed my libido and results weren't as good.

    Welp, I got the new version. Good to know I'm gonna be let down even before taking it.


    Sounds like mullet said the old one killed his libido (clear bottle, blue pillz.)
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  6. from the way it looks. nutra planet is still selling the old roid version?? can anyone confirm this

  7. Quote Originally Posted by moveweight View Post
    from the way it looks. nutra planet is still selling the old roid version?? can anyone confirm this

    No this is not true. I bought JW from nutra about 3 or so weeks ago. I got the red bottle. The picture they have for it is wrong.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    No this is not true. I bought JW from nutra about 3 or so weeks ago. I got the red bottle. The picture they have for it is wrong.
    damn.. i ran the blue caps a while back and i liked them i was lookin for another bottle of those... i guess they cant be found anymore...

  9. Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    hm, their restore has the methylated version of baET (B-Androstentriol).

    Anabolic Xtreme's version has a non-methylated version of baET.

    I think ALRI's old retain had the methylated version of B-andro.


    Yeah, oh well.
    heres an update, pa says restore has andro in it. i mean andro not baet.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  10. Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    Old version:

    Pro-Hypertrophic Proprietary Matrix 250mg **
    Proprietary Mormordica Chirantia Extract
    Conjugated (-) 3.4-Divanillyl Tetrahydrofuran, ADED (17-Alkyl-4-Delta-5a-Dehydro-Etiocholan-1,6-Dien-3-One)
    Proprietary Conjugated Coleonol Extract


    New version:

    Conjugated (-)3,4-divanillyl-tetrahydrofuran
    Proprietary Conjugated Coleonol Extract
    ADED (5a-dehydro-etiocholane-4,6-dien-3-one-17-ol A.K.A 17a-methyl-5a-dehydro-etiocholane-4,6-dien-3-ene-ol)
    Mormordica Chirantia Extract

    i picked up two bottles of JW from the arnold and my nomeclature seems to be different that what reaper posted..

    Pro-Hypertrophic Propietary Matrix 250mg
    Propietary Momordica Chirantia Extract
    Conjugated (-)3,4-divanillyl
    tetrahydrofuran, 17a-methyl-5a-dehydro-
    etiocholane-4,6-dien-3-one-17-ol
    Proprietary Conjugated Coleonol Extract

    Jan 2011

    New, old?

  11. I have no idea. The whole jungle warfare thing is shady.

    You probably have the new stuff if you bought it at the arnold. Plus it looks closest to the new product, esp with that expiration date.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by TOYFORDOLET View Post
    I had good results with the older one. The newer version killed my libido and results weren't as good.
    Same here. I noticed way better results with the old version...I can't comment on the libido side of it though as I wasn't really focusing on that side (plus my gf at the time of the original run lived far away).

    Also, both version use blue caps. The bottle and label have changed though.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Weebs View Post
    i picked up two bottles of JW from the arnold and my nomeclature seems to be different that what reaper posted..

    Pro-Hypertrophic Propietary Matrix 250mg
    Propietary Momordica Chirantia Extract
    Conjugated (-)3,4-divanillyl
    tetrahydrofuran, 17a-methyl-5a-dehydro-
    etiocholane-4,6-dien-3-one-17-ol
    Proprietary Conjugated Coleonol Extract

    Jan 2011

    New, old?
    yep thats the new bottle mine actually says january2011 as well...

  14. I am looking for the old one. Looks like I missed out.

    -TF

  15. so the old version is the good one? im confused because i ran jw a couple months ago and the shizz was awesome. i dont wanna waste money if the new version sucks. but than again i have found some one selling the old one i think. it has the same ingredients as listed earlier as the "old version"

  16. Quote Originally Posted by GotRam01 View Post
    so the old version is the good one? im confused because i ran jw a couple months ago and the shizz was awesome. i dont wanna waste money if the new version sucks. but than again i have found some one selling the old one i think. it has the same ingredients as listed earlier as the "old version"
    lol the new version is what you ran ew months ago im running it right now it its good....

  17. Quote Originally Posted by boxmeman View Post
    lol the new version is what you ran ew months ago im running it right now it its good....
    it was a blue bottle i know that. i was double dosing too

  18. Quote Originally Posted by GotRam01 View Post
    it was a blue bottle i know that. i was double dosing too
    wait a blue bottle? The new bottle is red....

  19. Quote Originally Posted by boxmeman View Post
    wait a blue bottle? The new bottle is red....
    i was posting is the alri board while on it. it was in august. i actually cant remember the color. do you have both pics? i expirenced no sides while on it and didnt go pct either, i wanna go back on soon. but wanna make sure i get the same product

  20. Quote Originally Posted by boxmeman View Post
    it would be the new bottle than. everyone on here is claiming this is a mild ph? . this whole issue is extremely confusing. i liked the stuff personally, but maybe bc i was running 6 a day. i think now with my further knowledge on supps and my extremely cleaner diet, jw would kill

  21. Quote Originally Posted by GotRam01 View Post
    it would be the new bottle than. everyone on here is claiming this is a mild ph? . this whole issue is extremely confusing. i liked the stuff personally, but maybe bc i was running 6 a day. i think now with my further knowledge on supps and my extremely cleaner diet, jw would kill
    yep...

  22. Quote Originally Posted by boxmeman View Post
    yep...
    so is this new one a ph? or are you as clueless as me>?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by GotRam01 View Post
    so is this new one a ph? or are you as clueless as me>?
    lol it has a derirvitive of DMT, included in its blend (for some reason certain people are flipping out over this)....Anyhow im running it at the moment alongside DTH and 6OXO, sorry bro i can't be classified as being clueless

  24. yeah i also ran both versions... The old one (blue) i ran back in Jan 07 and i before all this "roid" talk even came up i was swearing to people if felt like a PH... good strength gains and put on 6 pretty lean pounds in 30days, solid pumps and lots of glycogen retention

    The new version (red) I ran last summer and it was balls compared to the original... didn't get much out of it at all

  25. ALRI=Ambigously Labeled 'Roided Ingredients.


    That's right. Hand over the reps.


    I thought of this inbetween squats last night. I gave myself a pat on the back afterwards.

  26. I mixed up the bottles.


    When Patrick Arnold was talking about the 6-DMT, he also mentioned that the chemical nomenclature was all 'phucked up'. The old bottle says 17-akyl-delta, something.......when I saw that a long time ago I remember thinking that it was very odd how you'd name an ingredient (they messed up anyways).


    Here is an segment about methylating an ATD:

    Anyway, concerning methylated aromatase inhibitors. i have said this before, making a 17alpha-methyl derivative of an aromatase inhibitor makes no sense.

    look at all the steroidal aromatse inhibitors on the market. They are all 17-keto compounds. This is for a reason. 17-keto steroids all have a higher affinity for the aromatase enzyme than 17beta-hydroxyl compounds (this is totally opposite than it is for the androgen receptor)

    when you make a 17alpha-methyl, 17beta-hydroxyl (as ALRI is doing there) you prevent the formation of a 17-ketone derivative. You force the compound to stay a 17beta-hydroxyl. This makes no sense. you WANT the compound to be a 17-ketone and they are forcing it to stay as a much weaker 17beta-hydroxyl


    an analysis of chemical nomenclature of jungle warfare

  27. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    pa says restore contains andro.

    Get out'a here?? Really??

    I have a bottle sitting in my room that i've yet to touch, I planned on using it for a mild PCT of my JW/ProA/BAM run that I have coming up.

    Probably shouldnt use Andro for PCT, from what I read ( I am not all that knowledgable in PS/PH )

  28. if it is androstenedione that was put in it then I wouldn't even bother.

    Androstenedione is pretty worthless and tremendously old school. Patrick Arnold came out with this back in 98 or something.

    By the time you take enough androstenedione to actually make a difference, you'll be dealing with estrogenic conversions as well.


    It makes about as much sense as taking DHEA to get bigger.

  29. Aww mint, the bottle i have in my room is the old version.

    I'm going to run it in about 5 weeks (when i get back from Poland)

    Do i need a pct or is it very mild?

    All this shat is very confusing.

    Is the new version complete garbage then?
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