old jungle warfare vs. new jungle warfare ?
- 03-07-2008, 11:30 AM
- 03-07-2008, 11:35 AM
hm, their restore has the methylated version of baET (B-Androstentriol).
Anabolic Xtreme's version has a non-methylated version of baET.
I think ALRI's old retain had the methylated version of B-andro.
Yeah, oh well.
03-07-2008, 02:47 PM
I had good results with the older one. The newer version killed my libido and results weren't as good.
03-07-2008, 02:50 PM
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03-11-2008, 07:30 PM
i picked up two bottles of JW from the arnold and my nomeclature seems to be different that what reaper posted..
Pro-Hypertrophic Propietary Matrix 250mg
Propietary Momordica Chirantia Extract
Proprietary Conjugated Coleonol Extract
03-11-2008, 07:36 PM
I have no idea. The whole jungle warfare thing is shady.
You probably have the new stuff if you bought it at the arnold. Plus it looks closest to the new product, esp with that expiration date.
03-11-2008, 07:38 PM
Also, both version use blue caps. The bottle and label have changed though.
03-11-2008, 07:40 PM
03-11-2008, 08:21 PM
03-11-2008, 09:38 PM
so the old version is the good one? im confused because i ran jw a couple months ago and the shizz was awesome. i dont wanna waste money if the new version sucks. but than again i have found some one selling the old one i think. it has the same ingredients as listed earlier as the "old version"
03-11-2008, 09:42 PM
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03-11-2008, 11:28 PM
yeah i also ran both versions... The old one (blue) i ran back in Jan 07 and i before all this "roid" talk even came up i was swearing to people if felt like a PH... good strength gains and put on 6 pretty lean pounds in 30days, solid pumps and lots of glycogen retention
The new version (red) I ran last summer and it was balls compared to the original... didn't get much out of it at all
03-12-2008, 09:11 AM
ALRI=Ambigously Labeled 'Roided Ingredients.
That's right. Hand over the reps.
I thought of this inbetween squats last night. I gave myself a pat on the back afterwards.
03-12-2008, 09:43 AM
I mixed up the bottles.
When Patrick Arnold was talking about the 6-DMT, he also mentioned that the chemical nomenclature was all 'phucked up'. The old bottle says 17-akyl-delta, something.......when I saw that a long time ago I remember thinking that it was very odd how you'd name an ingredient (they messed up anyways).
Here is an segment about methylating an ATD:
Anyway, concerning methylated aromatase inhibitors. i have said this before, making a 17alpha-methyl derivative of an aromatase inhibitor makes no sense.
look at all the steroidal aromatse inhibitors on the market. They are all 17-keto compounds. This is for a reason. 17-keto steroids all have a higher affinity for the aromatase enzyme than 17beta-hydroxyl compounds (this is totally opposite than it is for the androgen receptor)
when you make a 17alpha-methyl, 17beta-hydroxyl (as ALRI is doing there) you prevent the formation of a 17-ketone derivative. You force the compound to stay a 17beta-hydroxyl. This makes no sense. you WANT the compound to be a 17-ketone and they are forcing it to stay as a much weaker 17beta-hydroxyl
an analysis of chemical nomenclature of jungle warfare
03-12-2008, 09:44 AM
03-12-2008, 09:48 AM
if it is androstenedione that was put in it then I wouldn't even bother.
Androstenedione is pretty worthless and tremendously old school. Patrick Arnold came out with this back in 98 or something.
By the time you take enough androstenedione to actually make a difference, you'll be dealing with estrogenic conversions as well.
It makes about as much sense as taking DHEA to get bigger.
03-12-2008, 09:53 AM
Aww mint, the bottle i have in my room is the old version.
I'm going to run it in about 5 weeks (when i get back from Poland)
Do i need a pct or is it very mild?
All this shat is very confusing.
Is the new version complete garbage then?
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