DIESEL TEST Hardcore versus Activate Exteme the tester search

[Chuck Diesel]

Recently a thread (http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/79468-activate-xtreme-vs.html) posed the debate "Activate Extreme versus DIESEL TEST Hardcore." There was an on and on thread about blablabla, both have good logs but there are few logs by people who have used both. Last summer when DTH came out, I did a similar tester search because I wasnt happy with DS reps running around saying Actx is the best herbal test booster out. So what I am doing is re-posting to look for testers who have logged Actx in the last 3-5 months to sign up and compare Actx to DTH on these critera:

They can say which one they liked better for:

-strength
-LMM gains
-training intensity/aggression in the gym
-muscle hardness
-libido (yes they need to compare on libido because with an increase in LH and total test comes an increase in libido)

-aggression out side the gym
-mental clarity/mood

and since actx has rhodiola:

-endurance
-recovery

plus testerosterone increase related sides-acne
-oily skin
-temper......etc.

If anyone who has had pre and post Actx lab work done, it would be great to get some people to do this before and after DTH use.


This is not a search to prove which one is better 100%, because that can only be done with lab work and all this other stuff on tons of testers, say 100. What this can do is give more personal opinions of which product works better since there are few people who have used both, well there probably are not few people but some dont want to speak out and do a comp.

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Here is the original tester search from summer of 2007:

As you guys know Im always striving to put out the best stand alone products possible. Not one of the best, the best. Recently there has been a new wave of herbal test boosters on the market and very few users testing them who have used other top test boosters.

So with this search I am only looking for people who just finished/will finish Activate Xtreme (standalone w/o any other hormonal product), I WANT STRAIGTH UP COMPARISONS, NOT THESE RECENT LOGS THAT DONT COMPARE THE PRODUCT TO ANYTHING. IF YOUR SCARED TO COMPARE ALL YOUR PAST TEST BOOSTERS DONT SIGN UP.

What you basically need to do is just post a link to your currrent log and I will choose from there. You are expected to be able to start your log between March 7th'ish and 15th. Do not sign up if you are not going to use the same training split, or supplement stack you used while on Actx. Also you should have been of Actx for 3-4 weeks before starting DTH.


Im probably not picking no more than 5 people but we will see.

If you have ever done a GET DIESEL log and logged actx also you are basically automatically in.

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I only require a few things:

1) Sign up by replying to this thread and posting a link to a completed actx log (sponsored or non-sponsored) here at AM done in the last 1-5 months.

2) List your past prohormone (not 100% nec.) and you past herbal test booster used. Please give quick summaries (also list what you stacked the test booster with if it has anything to do with enhancing the results of the test booster.

3) YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO START YOUR LOG BY 10 March 08 (as soon as you get the product is better)

4) Dont PM me, just post that you nominate yourself and the required info above.


Please ask any questions you may have about signing up here.

Also, if you sign up, please sign up to do a complete log and to follow the directions of the product. Do not sign up if u plan on stacking this with any other hormonal products. IE dont sign up, get the DIESEL TEST Hardcore and then start a log saying your stacking it with Activate and rebound xt or something like that.


****DO NOT SIGN UP IF YOU PLAN ON MAKING CHANGES TO YOUR WORKOUT PROGRAM DURING THIS LOG, OR NOT WORKING OUT AT ALL.****
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write up:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/get-diesel-nutrition/68255-diesel-test-hardcore.html

I will post exactly when the DTH will ship because right now its out of stock here but we should have some next week.

 

[MattMiller]

havent tried actx but i would gladly log DTHC for you

 

[Dancebot 2000]

I'm in.

 

[joebo]

I would be willing to be on the other side of the fence and try ActX as I've used DTH before. I wouldn't be able to right away though.

 

[metroba]

Havent logged it but signing up anyway!!

 

[DeathDealer]

I just started Activate Xtreme 1 1/2 weeks ago. I'm tracking my gains carefully, because I wanted to compare it to Universal Animal Test, which I had run the previous cycle. I'd be willing to try DTH and give an honest opinion of what I thought was better. How do you sign up?

 

[Chuck Diesel]

I just started Activate Xtreme 1 1/2 weeks ago. I'm tracking my gains carefully, because I wanted to compare it to Universal Animal Test, which I had run the previous cycle. I'd be willing to try DTH and give an honest opinion of what I thought was better. How do you sign up?

how you sign up is in the original post.

 

[Chuck Diesel]

I only require a few things:

1) Sign up by replying to this thread and posting a link to a completed actx log (sponsored or non-sponsored) here at AM done in the last 1-5 months.

2) List your past prohormone (not 100% nec.) and you past herbal test booster used. Please give quick summaries (also list what you stacked the test booster with if it has anything to do with enhancing the results of the test booster.

3) YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO START YOUR LOG BY 10 March 08 (as soon as you get the product is better)

4) Dont PM me, just post that you nominate yourself and the required info above.


Please ask any questions you may have about signing up here.

Also, if you sign up, please sign up to do a complete log and to follow the directions of the product. Do not sign up if u plan on stacking this with any other hormonal products. IE dont sign up, get the DIESEL TEST Hardcore and then start a log saying your stacking it with Activate and rebound xt or something like that.


****DO NOT SIGN UP IF YOU PLAN ON MAKING CHANGES TO YOUR WORKOUT PROGRAM DURING THIS LOG, OR NOT WORKING OUT AT ALL.****

 

[DaveGabe24]

Props to you Chuck, I have the utmost respect for any company owner who is willing stand by their products so confidently. Going to be an exciting few months ahead of us with the products going head to head, I look forward to it.

 

[AdelV]

Im currently on DTH, as you know Chuck.. Ill keep you updated.

I dont expect much from test boosters tho, I naturally have high test.. but it will be interesting to see.. i expect some major changes this coming week... as in weeeek 2..

 

[jmh80]

I tested the original Activate (twice). Does that count Chuck?

 

[Chuck Diesel]

I tested the original Activate (twice). Does that count Chuck?

no..

 

[jmh80]

You are no fun.

 

[whitedevil74]

I logged Activate Xtreme over at bb.com and I have another bottle laying around the house. I am currently running a log for Epic so when are you looking for testers Chuck? I would be interested in comparing the two products. I will admit I found Activate Xtreme to be a pretty solid product.

 

[Sldge]

I logged Activate Xtreme over at bb.com and I have another bottle laying around the house. I am currently running a log for Epic so when are you looking for testers Chuck? I would be interested in comparing the two products. I will admit I found Activate Xtreme to be a pretty solid product.

Thanks Clay.

 

[Chuck Diesel]

I logged Activate Xtreme over at bb.com and I have another bottle laying around the house. I am currently running a log for Epic so when are you looking for testers Chuck? I would be interested in comparing the two products. I will admit I found Activate Xtreme to be a pretty solid product.

please read the first post of the thread. Next 2 weeks.

 

[SgtP]

Ill be using DTH and Trib test during my Havoc PCT. I will be logging the cycle and PCT. I have no doubt that DTH will amaze.

 

[BOHICA]

I tested the original Activate (twice). Does that count Chuck?

I got you beat, I was one of the 10 beta testers for it. 8-12 caps of day of a horrible stinky brown powder in unmarked white bottles. I have never taken DTH, but if it doesn't taste like that beta version of Activate did then it's already a winner to me.

 

[Chuck Diesel]

I got you beat, I was one of the 10 beta testers for it. 8-12 caps of day of a horrible stinky brown powder in unmarked white bottles. I have never taken DTH, but if it doesn't taste like that beta version of Activate did then it's already a winner to me.

you was one of the guina (sp) pigs because before you guys, nothing living had ever consumed nettle standardized for 3,4,davialblabla at those doses before. No mice, rat, primate, nothing studies for sides or anything.

 

[Sldge]

you was one of the guina (sp) pigs because before you guys, nothing living had ever consumed nettle standardized for 3,4,davialblabla at those doses before. No mice, rat, primate, nothing studies for sides or anything.

And that is where you show that you really have no idea what you are talking about. The beta Activate test had a 5% extract of Divanil that had been used for years in the life exstention industry. That where all that data you choose to overlook came from.

There isnt a single study of any 90% extract or better tested even in vitro or in vivo for that matter from tribulus. You actually have no idea how Tribulus even works or what does the work because scientist dont even know. All they know is its good for mice and does nothing for men. But hey maybe you know something that they dont?

Obviously you just cant try to sell your product on its own merrits. Whats even funnier is that you are trying to put down Divanil (because you refuse to answer any questions about how terrible the scienece is behind your product so you have to try to attack mine for something) but you actually use it in one of your own products.

That has to be one of the dumbest things youve posted in the past few days.

 

[thebigt]

And that is where you show that you really have no idea what you are talking about. The beta Activate test had a 5% extract of Divanil that had been used for years in the life exstention industry. That where all that data you choose to overlook came from.

There isnt a single study of any 90% extract or better tested even in vitro or in vivo for that matter from tribulus. You actually have no idea how Tribulus even works or what does the work because scientist dont even know. All they know is its good for mice and does nothing for men. But hey maybe you know something that they dont?

Obviously you just cant try to sell your product on its own merrits. Whats even funnier is that you are trying to put down Divanil (because you refuse to answer any questions about how terrible the scienece is behind your product so you have to try to attack mine for something) but you actually use it in one of your own products.

That has to be one of the dumbest things youve posted in the past few days.

aren't there a lot of drugs and herbs that science can't explain their actions? maybe tribulus doesn't raise test, but that doesn't make it useless. i like trib products and will continue to use them. btw i also like divanil.

 

[Sldge]

aren't there a lot of drugs and herbs that science can't explain their actions? maybe tribulus doesn't raise test, but that doesn't make it useless. i like trib products and will continue to use them. btw i also like divanil.

Its not as many as you think and it usually because enough of the parameters havent been fully tested. Tribulus has been tested multiple times for various extracts. Other then its use as a possible sex aid its useless in men.

If Divanil didnt have the sceince to support its use along with the bloodwork to back it up there is NO way I would use it.

Im not the one trying to compare the two compounds against each other. Its not a fair comparison to begin with but besides that there is nothing to even suggest that Trib would bind SHBG, which is the main reason for using Divanil.

 

[thebigt]

Its not as many as you think and it usually because enough of the parameters havent been fully tested. Tribulus has been tested multiple times for various extracts. Other then its use as a possible sex aid its useless in men.

If Divanil didnt have the sceince to support its use along with the bloodwork to back it up there is NO way I would use it.

Im not the one trying to compare the two compounds against each other. Its not a fair comparison to begin with but besides that there is nothing to even suggest that Trib would bind SHBG, which is the main reason for using Divanil.

at 49, it's use as a possible sex aid is hardly useless. like i said i like both products and am currently using both, personally i think they are complimentary.

 

[Sldge]

at 49, it's use as a possible sex aid is hardly useless. like i said i like both products and am currently using both, personally i think they are complimentary.

I said as a sex aid its probably very good (the science and feedback definitely support it) and certainly better then using something like Viagra everyday. As far as increasing test, free test, muscle mass, strength or fat loss it has no effect in men. So beyond the sex aid purpose, its useless.

 

[whitedevil74]

please read the first post of the thread. Next 2 weeks.

Well that knocks me out then. good luck with the testers Chuck.

 

[Chuck Diesel]

And that is where you show that you really have no idea what you are talking about. The beta Activate test had a 5% extract of Divanil that had been used for years in the life exstention industry. That where all that data you choose to overlook came from.

There isnt a single study of any 90% extract or better tested even in vitro or in vivo for that matter from tribulus. You actually have no idea how Tribulus even works or what does the work because scientist dont even know. All they know is its good for mice and does nothing for men. But hey maybe you know something that they dont?

Obviously you just cant try to sell your product on its own merrits. Whats even funnier is that you are trying to put down Divanil (because you refuse to answer any questions about how terrible the scienece is behind your product so you have to try to attack mine for something) but you actually use it in one of your own products.

That has to be one of the dumbest things youve posted in the past few days.

ok, I thought they beta tested the one that was the 65% pills that were first out. Anyway thats for the other thread, this is the tester search thread. Im not putting down Divanil. I was saying I dont see how you can say there are no human studies showing tribulus works in humans, when there are no human studies saying divanil works in humans. I dont know why you keep taking about a 90% extract of tribulus. 90% extract for what? My products contain tribulus, my products work very well, I know how tribulus works. Me not breaking down to you what actives are import to tribulus working has nothing to do with a lack of science.

My products do sell on their own merrits.....but I always want my products compared to products touted as the best. Same thing with NOS ETHER and Ready4War, I have asked people to compare ETHER to sizeon and Clout and r4w to rpm. For me how you gonna know if consumers consider your products one of the best out if none of them are comparing it to anything else? People are always like, "oh I loved blablabla, 10 out of 10 starts...." then when someone ask them what else have they used or to compare it to another product in the cat. they say something like "oh this is the first NO product or this is the first test booster I have ever used." Its like ok.....

but anyway, like I said thats for the other thread. What I sug. you do is start a thread to find DTH users to test actx and compare because whats the use of DS reps posting all over the place actx is the best thing out if you dont make an effort to have it compare to something others think is the best herbal test booster out?

 

[Chuck Diesel]

first comp. log of DTH red bottle to Actx log under way:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/87525-davegabe-showin-off.html

 

[Doug8796]

I noticed the thread a few days and i am more than willing to shell out the cash for activate extreme Chuck if you can get me a free bottle of DTH or give me a hefty discount (the winner of two logs will see me again in the future ), ill let you decide which I should take first

 

[poacher]

Chuck, I started a superdrol clone yesterday. I am incorperating your product DTH in my PCT. Looking at the bottle now. I already have a blood test lined up for total test at the completion of using DHT for the final phase of my PCT. Hope it works.

 

[Chuck Diesel]

Chuck, I started a superdrol clone yesterday. I am incorperating your product DTH in my PCT. Looking at the bottle now. I already have a blood test lined up for total test at the completion of using DHT for the final phase of my PCT. Hope it works.

yeah let us know....did you get testeted before your cycle or do you plan on getting tested after your cycle. Either way its good for PCT, esp superdrol pct because superdrol will shut most people down pretty good.

 

[poacher]

Hello Chuck. Yes I got pre blood work done. Total test, and have a test already scheduled for post.

 

[Doug8796]

so chuck.. u wont even give me a discount to compare your product to activate extreme? come on man like 5-10 dollars off or something

 

[Chuck Diesel]

Hello Chuck. Yes I got pre blood work done. Total test, and have a test already scheduled for post.

Thats good to know because when you do cycles you should know what effect they are having on your body and if you respond to your PCT.

 

[Chuck Diesel]

so chuck.. u wont even give me a discount to compare your product to activate extreme? come on man like 5-10 dollars off or something

What?

Did you log ACtx?

 

[Doug8796]

no but i will. if you get me a discount to dth.. ill buy the actx now and log within a few days if i can get a discount/free bottle of dth

 

[Chuck Diesel]

no but i will. if you get me a discount to dth.. ill buy the actx now and log within a few days if i can get a discount/free bottle of dth

Well how about you buy DTH then ask DS can you get a free bottle of Actx to log and compare it to....id rather you pay for DTH if thats the case.

I wouldnt buy the products just for this comp if they or DTH isnt something u planned on using.

I cant/dont sell direct.

 

[LatSpread]

If you ever want a comparison of your new version against Mass FX let me know as my Mass FX Maximum Strength log is coming to an end at bb dot com (SwolenONE, Ive ran many logs for you in the past).

I've also got a bottle of Act X on hand.

 

[Chuck Diesel]

If you ever want a comparison of your new version against Mass FX let me know as my Mass FX Maximum Strength log is coming to an end at bb dot com (SwolenONE, Ive ran many logs for you in the past).

I've also got a bottle of Act X on hand.

u said u liked the white bottle DTH better than Actx and Mass FX, the red bottle is only stronger than the white bottle DTH.

 

[LatSpread]

u said u liked the white bottle DTH better than Actx and Mass FX, the red bottle is only stronger than the white bottle DTH.

I'll have to try it out, Im almost done with my Mass FX and I prefer the DTH, before starting Mass FX I had used about ten days worth of Act X and it didnt do a whole lot of anything.

With that white bottle DTH I used 30 days worth and it kicked in full throttle within the first week.

 

[Chuck Diesel]

If you ever want a comparison of your new version against Mass FX let me know as my Mass FX Maximum Strength log is coming to an end at bb dot com (SwolenONE, Ive ran many logs for you in the past).

I've also got a bottle of Act X on hand.

subbed, I ran the last version (w/out argenine)

I liked it even better than the new mass fx and Activate X (and I did not expect to, so no placebo)

from your bb.com log on Mas FX:

day 15 mass fx log:

Halfway Review
-Muscle hardness is up
-Weight and hunger are up
-Have hit a PR or two
-no libido gains like seen with something like Diesel Test (but much better gains than DT)
-individual hairs springing up on the back of my delts, faster body hair growth.
-slight "alpha male" feeling

??

 

[thebigt]

from your bb.com log on Mas FX:


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i wonder if it was a 'sponsored' log?

 

[john123131]

haha..dont lie to Chuck, he does his homework boys....

 

[joebo]

LOL, this just proves that most logs are lies. He either lied trying to get free stuff from AX or he's ying to chuck trying to get free DTH. Either way, he's a lier, but I want to see how he squirms out of this one.:duel:

 

[The Paper Route]

I got you beat, I was one of the 10 beta testers for it. 8-12 caps of day of a horrible stinky brown powder in unmarked white bottles. I have never taken DTH, but if it doesn't taste like that beta version of Activate did then it's already a winner to me.

I remember the beta. Too many pills.

 

[bolt10]

LOL this is interesting

 

[thebigt]

haha..dont lie to Chuck, he does his homework boys....

haha, dont fvck with chvck. L:lol:L

 

[Doug8796]

Chuck... Why no more nettle?

 

[LatSpread]

from your bb.com log on Mas FX:


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the gains are "better" with MFX as Im not using any creatine and still hitting Personal Records, but what I liked or preferred about DTH was the libido increase and feeling of well being. As I mentioned in my Mass FX log, I dont feel any aggression, libido, well being, instead Im just hitting Personal Records. And getting better muscle hardness on Mass FX, however, muscle hardness is not what Im going for Im looking more for size, and thus far both havent directly led me to new mass.

Hope that makes some sense to you.

 

[LatSpread]

haha..dont lie to Chuck, he does his homework boys....

dont worry I didnt lie, I explained myself above.

And if you look in the Mass FX log you will see I have noted at least once that DTH is the best for libido, but the muscle hardness on Mass FX is better. I also kind of feel the strength gains I got from DTH were becuase I was on ETHER too, now im on no creatine (so its hard to make a truly accurate gauge of which is better for strength, but fact is Im hitting new weights and reps without creatine while on Mass FX, which is nice)

Also, if you read my DTH logs you will see I noted an overwhelming feeling of well being, that is not mentioned once in my MAss FX log.

So I suppose for me to say I prefer one to the other was not the best way to put it, as both have their distinct advantages over the other.

Sorry for the confusion Chuck. My comparison isnt the best since I used DTH and Ether simultaneously.

 

[LatSpread]

LOL, this just proves that most logs are lies. He either lied trying to get free stuff from AX or he's ying to chuck trying to get free DTH. Either way, he's a lier, but I want to see how he squirms out of this one.:duel:

No lying, sorry for not providing drama to the online community.

I'll say here and in my MFX log that overall I preferred DTH due to the feeling of well being making my every day life easier and my training (once again the comparison is scewed as I used a power lifting routine on DTH and am using a bodybuilding routine now, so that could account for the muscle hardness. Perhaps I shouldnt have even tried to compare the two last night at there are/were different variables at play such as the training split and creatine)

In fact, Im making a log entry right now that explains dth's advantages over MassFX's so there goes your theory of only providing positive feedback for free product, Jjohn, you should know something about that as I did the 60 day PAL log of incarnate and leviathin and gave a way less than stellar review.

EDIT:^^^Ok I put this in my Mass FX log, so all is clear now Charles.